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re: Kragthorpe = Crowton? Sure seems like it from UL fans &stats
Posted on 12/7/09 at 5:00 am to givemeabeer
Posted on 12/7/09 at 5:00 am to givemeabeer
He also skipped out on some coaching seminar/high school player seminar.(not sure which one)
LINK
LINK
This post was edited on 12/7/09 at 5:08 am
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Posted on 12/7/09 at 8:18 am to saderade
quote:
Tulsa had much better years after he left. Check their 2007 and 2008 stats compared with 2005 and 2006. They averaged about 2000 more yards per season after he was gone
...then doesn't that kind of kill off that whole "he can't recruit" thing? Seems like the players he left there did quite well?
This post was edited on 12/7/09 at 8:25 am
Posted on 12/7/09 at 8:27 am to Prominentwon
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Tulsa?
Does anymore need to be said???Yeah, that is a BIGTIME program....
Posted on 12/7/09 at 8:29 am to givemeabeer
FWIW, Kragthorpe would be a great hire for LSU IMO. He's certainly in my Top4:
1. Kragthorope
2. Whipple
3. Cignetti
4. Chuck Long
1. Kragthorope
2. Whipple
3. Cignetti
4. Chuck Long
Posted on 12/7/09 at 8:59 am to tigersruledude
quote:Who cares about his recruiting, Crowton isn't a great recruiter. We need a great OC. This guy is not and would be a terrible hire.
...then doesn't that kind of kill off that whole "he can't recruit" thing? Seems like the players he left there did quite well?
Posted on 12/7/09 at 9:39 am to givemeabeer
quote:Wow, that sounds like a letter to Les Miles.
You are leaving because you couldn’t recruit, you couldn’t develop winning schemes, you were an incompetent offensive coordinator, you were a poor manager, and you sounded like the football equivalent of Miss South Carolina, presented with a problem that you tried to talk your way through with clichés and platitudes.
You are leaving because you didn’t use common sense on the field. You didn’t recruit well in your home state. You couldn’t show up for coaches association meetings on time. You couldn’t speak without sounding like a mealy mouthed cartoon character.
You are leaving because you didn’t have a plan, didn’t communicate a strategy, and were never clear in what was going wrong or how you were going to fix it.
Posted on 12/7/09 at 10:19 am to Harv1790
quote:
If any of you saw Petrino Louisville offenses compared to Kragthorpe offenses you would be scared of him as our O-coordinator. He basically took a NFL caliber Qb (as projected by all scouts) Hunter Cantwell and turned him into an undrafted Qb. He turned Tulsa into a average program but they've been much better since he's left. He walked into a good situation @ Louisville and turned sugar into $h*t (they were preseason #11 when he arrived in 2007 and they haven't seen the rankings since). I hope they find someone else.
there is so much fail in this post i just dont know what to say
Posted on 12/7/09 at 10:28 am to saderade
quote:
Tulsa had much better years after he left. Check their 2007 and 2008 stats compared with 2005 and 2006. They averaged about 2000 more yards per season after he was gone.
So is it knock on a coach for his teams to do well after he leaves, or is it a feather in his cap. You guys need to make up your minds.
Posted on 12/7/09 at 10:34 am to Bubba Hotep
Another find on Kragthorpe, again similar to Crowton:
LINK
quote:
Even more so than that, Kragthorpe never fully utilized the talent on his team. For example, in 2007, instead of using 6-foot-6 receiver Mario Urrutia as a vertical threat as Petrino had, Kragthorpe's offense often called plays for Urrutia to go over the middle or catch screen passes. An unhappy Urrutia wound up leaving after the season as a junior.
Kragthorpe had three different offensive coordinators and four different defensive playcallers during his tenure. His teams often looked disjointed on the field, repeatedly burning timeouts in confusion early in games or lining up in the wrong formations. Kragthorpe's calls on third and fourth downs prompted a lot of head-scratching.
Perhaps the most damning evidence against Kragthorpe is this: He took over offensive coordinator duties this year, and the team averaged 18.5 points per game, worst in the Big East and the fewest by a Louisville team since 1996. Though he came to town with the reputation as a bright offensive mind, his offenses lacked imagination and paled in comparison to his predecessor.
LINK
Posted on 12/7/09 at 10:36 am to givemeabeer
Posted on 12/7/09 at 10:43 am to Bubba Hotep
quote:This is my opinion on the subject, don't group me in with other people. I know Tulsa's offense was much better a year after he left and continued to be.
So is it knock on a coach for his teams to do well after he leaves, or is it a feather in his cap. You guys need to make up your minds.
Posted on 12/7/09 at 10:46 am to saderade
Check out how they were before he got there. You may be surprised.
Posted on 12/7/09 at 10:47 am to givemeabeer
ive already addressed that bit in another thread. not sure which one
ETA: eplain to me thread
ETA: eplain to me thread
This post was edited on 12/7/09 at 10:48 am
Posted on 12/7/09 at 10:51 am to Ron Mexico
And another find - again, sounds familiar:
LINK
(Link also has photo of "Kragthorpe's playbook", which is a screenshot from the original Tecmo Bowl
)
quote:
Well, throw one of those batteries back into the stands and I think you could hit someone to call a more imaginative offense. I haven't been a proponent of firing Krags during the season before; now I'm leaning that way. Send a message that the undiciplined mess of a game plan is unacceptable, that wasting timeouts when a game is coming down to the wire is moronic, that having a team with good field position look like they've never run a 2 minute drill is pathetic.
LINK
(Link also has photo of "Kragthorpe's playbook", which is a screenshot from the original Tecmo Bowl
)Posted on 12/7/09 at 10:54 am to Bubba Hotep
So he turned a bad team into a decent team. That then became a great team after he left. And put up 2000 more yards a year. After all the reports about this guy, I don't see why anyone would want him here. Is there any reason he is the best candidate?
Posted on 12/7/09 at 11:07 am to saderade
I'm not saying he's the best candidate. I'm just saying that a team continuing to do well, or even improving, after a coach leaves is not a knock on the coach. It tells me he recruited well and built a nice program.
Posted on 12/7/09 at 11:10 am to Bubba Hotep
quote:
It tells me he recruited well and built a nice program.
He sure didn't do that at Louisville. He drove them into the ground. I think LSU can do and needs to do much much better than taking a chance on this guy.
Posted on 12/7/09 at 11:13 am to Captain Want
quote:
I think LSU can do and needs to do much much better than taking a chance on this guy.
+1 - They could get this guy:
LINK
Posted on 12/7/09 at 11:14 am to BigDogGambler
quote:
I think LSU can do and needs to do much much better than taking a chance on this guy.
That's what I think too. The more I research and read about him, the less I like him.
Posted on 12/7/09 at 11:29 am to GABlueDog
Sounds like what he did was what Bama claimed Miles would do.
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