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Posted on 12/1/17 at 1:58 pm to cas4t
quote:Agreed. However, you and this thread seem to already have it determined.....
That is still TBD.
Posted on 12/1/17 at 1:58 pm to lsupride87
you completely missed the point with me naming those teams
Posted on 12/1/17 at 1:59 pm to riverparish
I forgot about the big raises in those years and the Harbaugh contract. Point being, Miles' last 5 years were not good, and he didn't get a raise. LSU could easily have paid him 6-8M if his results warranted it.
Posted on 12/1/17 at 1:59 pm to cas4t
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I hate to break it to you, but coaching salaries are simply on the rise. You can thank Jimmy Sexton and other universites for being willing to pay t
Ok, but that still doesn't mean Jimbo is worth top market rate, or more specifically, that it is necessary to have one of the guys that can command a top salary to be competitive.
I am of the belief that people put way too much stock into coaches, and I think this rapid rise in salaries demonstrates this.
Nearly the whole conference is overpaying a new coach because they overpaid the last coach that went bust. Bottom line is football programs have a culture that persists as coaches come and go. Finding a guy that is a good fit for that culture is paramount.
This seems just like the NBA, where teams are just willing to spend their way to relevancy despite what the on floor results may be.
Posted on 12/1/17 at 2:03 pm to lsupride87
I haven't determined anything except that LSUs AD made our coaching search a circus, and UCLA, A&M and UF all went about their business like professionals, and brought the right people to the table to ensure they hired a proven coach with a solid resume' of Ws, that the vast majority of the fan base wanted,.
Like it or not, O hiring was a 50/50, at best. And his resume' was terrible. It's amazing that Alleva made the hire back then, but even more so now that we have seen so many other hires go down smooth as silk.
Like it or not, O hiring was a 50/50, at best. And his resume' was terrible. It's amazing that Alleva made the hire back then, but even more so now that we have seen so many other hires go down smooth as silk.
Posted on 12/1/17 at 2:03 pm to cas4t
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LSU does have the money. Miles' last year LSU had the highest paid staff in the country, and Miles was a top 5 paid HC. LSU is also a top 5 most valuable football program.
Miles had been the coach for 10+ years. He had proven his success and had reason to command his and his staffs high salaries.
Posted on 12/1/17 at 2:05 pm to cas4t
quote:none...his hands were tied. F. King is/was pulling the strings...
Joe Alleva- how much criticism is warranted?
Posted on 12/1/17 at 2:06 pm to OceanMan
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Finding a guy that is a good fit for that culture is paramount.
I'll never understand this line of thinking. We are the only fan base that has folks preaching about culture. Everyone else just wants to win.
Explain how being a cultural fit relates to wins and losses. And please don't mention recruiting, because these kids are not cajuns.
Posted on 12/1/17 at 2:06 pm to cas4t
granted but at the same time there is no point in acting like a bunch of irrational UT fans at this point.
if canada leaves, which is most likely just more fan BS, then all this crap does nothing but look bad to anyone who might need to be asked to come here and work under alleva
am i a fan or supporter of alleva, hell know, i think he is an idiot on par with the UT idiot that just got fired but i think the time to talk about replacing AD is not in the middle of coaching changes going on all over the place. lets wait and see that we are secure in our coaching staff first, then we can run alleva out on a rail. thats all im saying
if canada leaves, which is most likely just more fan BS, then all this crap does nothing but look bad to anyone who might need to be asked to come here and work under alleva
am i a fan or supporter of alleva, hell know, i think he is an idiot on par with the UT idiot that just got fired but i think the time to talk about replacing AD is not in the middle of coaching changes going on all over the place. lets wait and see that we are secure in our coaching staff first, then we can run alleva out on a rail. thats all im saying
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Posted on 12/1/17 at 2:06 pm to sms151t
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You know this how? I mean I get they lost to Troy, but then beat the 2nd ranked team and champion of the West.
We did the same thing in 2013 with a 9-3 record and I don’t really remember anyone talking about how good of a season it was.
Posted on 12/1/17 at 2:07 pm to Chicken
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none...his hands were tied. F. King is/was pulling the strings...
fair enough. I didn't mention this, but I think it could be a reason why a Scott Woodward wouldn't come to LSU. No one wants to be micromanaged.
Posted on 12/1/17 at 2:08 pm to cas4t
quote:If coach O goes 10-2 next year will you and other still bitch and call it an awful hire?
I haven't determined anything except that LSUs AD made our coaching search a circus, and UCLA, A&M and UF all went about their business like professionals, and brought the right people to the table to ensure they hired a proven coach with a solid resume' of Ws, that the vast majority of the fan base wanted,.
I am legitimately trying to see when the cutoff point is to where people will say they were wrong
Posted on 12/1/17 at 2:11 pm to cas4t
I get the 7.5 million. Don't understand 10 years. That's a dealbreaker to me. I'm glad LSU wasn't willing to bet the next 10 years on one man. That's how I see it. I'm sure most ADs don't look at it that way.
Posted on 12/1/17 at 2:12 pm to lsupride87
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quote: Bama, Auburn, Georgia, Florida Did better than Bamas last coach in the first year did better than floridas coach in the first year did better than uga coach in the first year Auburns is the only one that did better Look, the search was awful. But it is over with. Time to simply judge what actually happens on the field, and what happened on the field in year 1 was good for the entire history of the sec
None of this is you defending and justifying orgeron's hire, right?
Posted on 12/1/17 at 2:13 pm to Open Your Eyes
I hated the orgeron hire
But after year 1 it has been good
Those are two separate facts
But after year 1 it has been good
Those are two separate facts
Posted on 12/1/17 at 2:15 pm to lsupride87
You just attempted to say orgeron was a better hire than Saban in the most indirect(and coincidentally, only) way possible. I don't think you understand what facts are.
Posted on 12/1/17 at 2:16 pm to cas4t
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I'll never understand this line of thinking. We are the only fan base that has folks preaching about culture. Everyone else just wants to win. Explain how being a cultural fit relates to wins and losses. And please don't mention recruiting, because these kids are not cajuns.
Are you serious? I'm not talking about Louisiana culture. At least not directly. There are more people that make a football team go than the HC. will your players respect you? Will your recruits fit in with your current players? Can you manage to not piss off boosters while maintains control of the program? A head coach is a politician.
I mean shite, Jimbo himself apparently had a cultural conflict with FSU. And he won a championship.
If you were hiring someone, would you only look at their resume or would you like to talk to him to see if they fit the organization? This isn't a hard concept.
Posted on 12/1/17 at 2:16 pm to cas4t
All on Alleva. Had Boards approval for 7 last year offered and tentative deal was reached. Alleva called back the next day and said 6 without board approval Jimbo backs out.
Posted on 12/1/17 at 2:17 pm to Open Your Eyes
I said in a very direct way orgeron did better in year 1
Simple fact
Simple fact
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