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re: Jimbo Fisher and Les Miles
Posted on 11/1/16 at 2:26 pm to dgnx6
Posted on 11/1/16 at 2:26 pm to dgnx6
They each had different sets of problems. One of Jimbo's at FSU until recently was not being able to get his administration to annie up more money for retaining great assistants. Les never had this problem.
And the recruiting argument doesn't jive - even after Katrina. LSU has a whole state to recruit with no true instate competition. Hardly any other P5 school has that advantage.
And the recruiting argument doesn't jive - even after Katrina. LSU has a whole state to recruit with no true instate competition. Hardly any other P5 school has that advantage.
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Posted on 11/1/16 at 2:32 pm to ibleedprplngld
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WHAT!?!?! Jimbo, very much literally, has an 11.33 average wins per season. WTF are you smoking?
It's ok to not want him as the coach, but don't pretend the man isn't one of the elite coaches in the game today.
How is that diff than LSU fans saying Miles is an idiot and that a monkey could win 10 games at LSU?
So he has 1 more win a season than Les. Yeah they Play UF, but not bama and Auburn. I think only 2005 Les didn't play a team that finished in the top 2 or make the playoffs.
Say what you want, the ACC didn't string off national title after national title. They are the program in the ACC. They are the bama of the ACC.
Posted on 11/1/16 at 2:36 pm to Laman1978
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And the recruiting argument doesn't jive - even after Katrina. LSU has a whole state to recruit with no true instate competition. Hardly any other P5 school has that advantage.
When 44 players from Florida get drafted and only 6 from louisuana, your per capita argument goes out the window.
LSU had the highest paid coordinators. This whole they had the highest paid staff is a bs myth. I don't remember what Jimbo was making pre 13, but I'm sure it wasn't far off from Les, now he's making more. Plus, Florida has no income tax, so all those dudes are actually bringing home more money.
In no way do I think they are similar at all. Just that LSU was willing to drop millions on a guy that would yield similar results as far as win losses.
This post was edited on 11/1/16 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 11/1/16 at 2:50 pm to Laman1978
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And the recruiting argument doesn't jive - even after Katrina. LSU has a whole state to recruit with no true instate competition. Hardly any other P5 school has that advantage.
The difference in talent between Florida and Louisiana is wide as the Grand Canyon. Sure FSU has to compete with other schools, but there is more than enough to go around.
Posted on 11/1/16 at 2:50 pm to dgnx6
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They both have one outlier of a great season and then a bunch littered with losses to less talented teams.
7-6 Bobby Bowden’s last year in 2009 with a talent dip, institutional control issues, and aging facilities.
Then Jimbo goes:
2010- 10-4
2011- 9-4
2012- 12-2 (Orange Bowl BCS victory)
2013- 14-0 (National Title with new QB)
2014- 13-1 (12-0 reg season)
2015- 10-3
In that time he gets 3 QBs drafted in the first round, one with a Heisman, wins multiple ACC titles, and a national title.
He would have more money for assistants and an easier time recruiting at LSU (even though he is an elite recruiter).
And people seriously think Ed fricking Orgeron, who went 3-21 in the SEC, is better than Jimbo Fisher.
Jimbo > Les Miles >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ed Orgeron > John L Smith
Posted on 11/1/16 at 2:51 pm to dgnx6
quote:What's Jimbo now? 8-1 vs SEC competition?
In no way do I think they are similar at all. Just that LSU was willing to drop millions on a guy that would yield similar results as far as win losses.
Posted on 11/1/16 at 2:51 pm to jlnoles79
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The difference in talent between Florida and Louisiana is wide as the Grand Canyon. Sure FSU has to compete with other schools, but there is more than enough to go around.
Florida is stacked, but the whole country shops there and plucks guys (including LSU, Bama, Georgia, Clemson), and not to mention 3 big time programs there. LSU has a lid on Louisiana.
Both are great, one's just easier.
Posted on 11/1/16 at 2:53 pm to Tiger Ree
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The only thing with Jimbo that I am concerned with is in his last 15 games he is 9-6.
Urban Meyer was 4-5 in his last 9 games at Florida.
He's now in his 5th season at Ohio State and has a grand total of 5 losses since he took over the job.
I could see Jimbo mimicking this pattern if he came to LSU. Sometimes, you just need a change - and with the in state talent and resources at LSU, I think he would be set up for a lot of success.
This post was edited on 11/1/16 at 2:55 pm
Posted on 11/1/16 at 2:55 pm to TheCaterpillar
quote:Agreed. Plus most Louisiana players grow up with LSU drilled into their brains since birth. It's not the same in Florida. Over half of the population isn't even from there.
Florida is stacked, but the whole country shops there and plucks guys (including LSU, Bama, Georgia, Clemson), and not to mention 3 big time programs there. LSU has a lid on Louisiana.
Both are great, one's just easier.
Posted on 11/1/16 at 2:58 pm to Laman1978
Also Jimbo is only 50 years old. Presumably if he came to LSU we'd have him for 10 or so years.
Posted on 11/1/16 at 3:00 pm to dgnx6
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13 was the outlier.
this is exactly what i mean by Saban has warped perceptions. Very few coaches have won NC or had "outlier" seasons like that and he was undefeated in 14 and lost in the playoff. He also won his conference 3 times in 6 years. I know everyone looks down on ACC, but Clemson is now just as good. I saw a piece this summer than ranked FSU #3 in NFL talent with Clemson #4. Throw in Petrino in the same division and its not Bowdens ACC anymore.
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He loses to lesser teams every year.
name a coach that hasn't.
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My argument was for last year. I just didn't think LSU should be paying Miles buy out and then go pay more for Jimbo
that's understandable.
Posted on 11/1/16 at 3:04 pm to Laman1978
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He even knows how to handle the transition of taking over for a legendary coach. That's a quality many are overlooking.
great point
Posted on 11/1/16 at 3:08 pm to H-Town Tiger
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this is exactly what i mean by Saban has warped perceptions. Very few coaches have won NC or had "outlier" seasons like that and he was undefeated in 14 and lost in the playoff. He also won his conference 3 times in 6 years. I know everyone looks down on ACC, but Clemson is now just as good. I saw a piece this summer than ranked FSU #3 in NFL talent with Clemson #4. Throw in Petrino in the same division and its not Bowdens ACC anymore.
I'll start off by saying Jimbo wouldn't be a bad hire by any means, but your first sentence illustrates that even his fans know Jimbo isn't Saban or Meyer. There's always a small chance or hope you catch lightning in a bottle with an up an coming coach, and Jimbo doesn't have that feel. He'll have a good year then two or three lack luster ones.
Comparing him to Miles is silly, but I think there's a very legitimate criticism there that he's stubborn and set in his ways, and like Miles he will need to have a significant talent advantage to compete.
Posted on 11/1/16 at 3:09 pm to TheCaterpillar
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2010- 10-4
2011- 9-4
2012- 12-2 (Orange Bowl BCS victory)
2013- 14-0 (National Title with new QB)
2014- 13-1 (12-0 reg season)
2015- 10-3
wait .......so double digit wins every year but one?
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In that time he gets 3 QBs drafted in the first round, one with a Heisman, wins multiple ACC titles, and a national title.
and 3 division titles at LSU, 2 conference titles and a natty as a OC. record breaking offenses at LSU in 2001 and 2003. put over 8 QB's into pro ball.
but obviously he is les miles JUNIOR!!!!!!
This post was edited on 11/1/16 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 11/1/16 at 3:27 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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I think there's a very legitimate criticism there that he's stubborn and set in his ways, and like Miles he will need to have a significant talent advantage to compete.
Can you or someone else expound on this further? I keep seeing it mentioned as a negative on here, yet his offense remains very productive, far more than ours was under Les.
With a true freshman QB and a bad OL, FSU is still a top 30 offense that totaled 450 yards against Clemson last weekend.
What evidence is there that the game is already "passing him by"?
Posted on 11/1/16 at 3:27 pm to Laman1978
It's a stupid comparison. They are nothing alike other than being white dudes that coach football.
Posted on 11/1/16 at 3:35 pm to nvasil1
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With a true freshman QB and a bad OL, FSU is still a top 30 offense
bingo
Posted on 11/1/16 at 3:44 pm to Cs
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Urban Meyer was 4-5 in his last 9 games at Florida.
Jimbo ain't Urban Meyer
Posted on 11/1/16 at 4:00 pm to nvasil1
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Can you or someone else expound on this further? I keep seeing it mentioned as a negative on here, yet his offense remains very productive, far more than ours was under Les.
With a true freshman QB and a bad OL, FSU is still a top 30 offense that totaled 450 yards against Clemson last weekend.
What evidence is there that the game is already "passing him by"?
I've gone into detail about it in other threads, but he's been very critical of RPOs and has been very reluctant to incorporate them into his offense, even with a young QB who would benefit greatly from using them. They've sputtered at times this and last season. That's not me comparing him to Les, his offense is much better than Miles. Still, to really succeed his offense needs great players in the skill positions and an NFL QB. That's a contrast to guys like Petrino, Herman, or Kiffin who have adapted their systems to the personnel they have.
Posted on 11/1/16 at 4:01 pm to Cs
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Urban Meyer was 4-5 in his last 9 games at Florida.
Urban Meyer had Nick Saban and Les Miles kicking his arse. That is why he had a health problem only to retire and show up in the B10 a year or two later. The bitch ran as fast as he could. "I can't coach anymore, Oh wait, I can coach in the B10, I'm alright now".
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