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re: It's Chavis
Posted on 12/29/08 at 2:08 pm to Maximus
Posted on 12/29/08 at 2:08 pm to Maximus
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its asserting that this is the "safe" hire, lower risk and lower reward
Fair point. But the main risk you don't have with Chavis is the risk of his defense "not working" in the SEC. It's demonstrably worked, and very well, in the SEC. My main concerns with Koenning and Walker were that their "stuff" wouldn't cut it week-in and week-out in this conference. That's probably worth placing a limit on the "ceiling" of the DC hire.
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The logical jump comes from being awake for the past decade. UT hasn't won either since the 1998 season which I believe would leave the SEC title out of your "past decade" and put the national title inside of it by about a week.
But, hey, they've been hurt, without any talent and young for the past decade.
Your overexaggeration about TN's past youth and health notwitstanding, what I mean by logical jump is this:
All men are mortal
Maximus is a man
Maximus is mortal
has no relationship to:
Chavis' TN defense was good enough for the 1998 SEC championship and 1998 MNC.
Chavis' TN defense was good enough to get TN to the SECCG in 2001, 2004 and 2007, despite the presence of a Clausen in 2001, and very little offense in 2007.
Chavis' future LSU defense, with no worse than equal talent on that side of the ball, will ever get LSU to SEC title game, or the MNC game, and will guarantee that LSU does no better than the Cotton Bowl.
That's what I mean by logical leap. You'd need an essay after the 2nd statement about Chavis for the 3rd statement to have even adequate support.
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Posted on 12/29/08 at 2:14 pm to belowpar
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It's Chavis
damn, too bad
Posted on 12/29/08 at 2:15 pm to Maximus
don't invite J Mac, he doesn't like those kind of affairs!
Posted on 12/29/08 at 2:18 pm to Martin Blank
Hey Martin...why in God's name are you trying to have a reasoned, intelligent debate with someone that is the proud owner of a hummingbird brain?
Posted on 12/29/08 at 2:19 pm to Martin Blank
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Chavis' TN defense was good enough for the 1998 SEC championship and 1998 MNC.
Chavis' TN defense was good enough to get TN to the SECCG in 2001, 2004 and 2007, despite the presence of a Clausen in 2001, and very little offense in 2007.
see i read that as them not having won the SEC in ten years despite having some mega-talented team. That Clausen in 2001 was actually a pretty damn good college QB unlike his brothers. Losing to a four loss LSU team with Mauck just running QB draw after QB draw against your team with John Henderson, Haynesworth, Overstreet, etc etc with a national title game appearance on the line is not impressive.
Whatever agree to disagree. I'm just not gonna jump for joy because we landed a guy who is "solid, great LB coach, well respected, but oh yeah he is terrible on 3rd downs and doesn't make in game adjustments."
Posted on 12/29/08 at 2:23 pm to chrome_daddy
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I just don't see where this comes from. The facts are that the Tennessee defense finished #4 in the country in total defense, while their offense finished #115. How Chavis pulled this off is anything short of amazing considering he coaches in the SEC.
Chavis is the ONLY COACH who has this sort of proven history compared to any of the other available candidates.
UT is my second favorite SEC team. Most of my family supports them. I have followed them over the years and have seen them get embarrassed on D enough times to know that Chavis alone is not going to be Saban part 2 on Defense. Now the combination of guys we might get could be absolutely incredible for us. I will be very happy if we get O and Joseph along with Chavis.
Posted on 12/29/08 at 2:23 pm to dos crystal
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That's one of the things that worries me. A coach with ambition to be a HC will work hard to show off what he has to be a big name. A coach who's looking to stick around will only do good enough not to get fired.
Totally agree, signed Monte Kiffin and Bud Foster
Bud Foster will be a head coach when Beamer leaves VT. Kiffin was a long time assistant in the NFL, that's diffrent as there are a lot of long time NFL assistants. Norm Chow, Crowton, Wally Burnham, Chavis and a few others are the only long time college assistants and that's because nobody is offering them HCing jobs.
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I just don't see where this comes from. The facts are that the Tennessee defense finished #4 in the country in total defense, while their offense finished #115. How Chavis pulled this off is anything short of amazing considering he coaches in the SEC.
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top five defense, this year. not 10 years ago, and proves he still can get it done.
That's great that his defense was statistically good this year. BTW, Tenn was 5-7 because teams didn't have to score a lot or run up a lot of stats, they could just run the clock out and outscore the offense. If the defense was that great they would have won a few more games.
Posted on 12/29/08 at 2:24 pm to Maximus
Well compare what he did against Florida this year to what the rest of the league did!!
The man saved Fulmer his job for probably 5 or 6 years.
The man saved Fulmer his job for probably 5 or 6 years.
Posted on 12/29/08 at 2:30 pm to Tiger Rob
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Well compare what he did against Florida this year to what the rest of the league did!!
The man saved Fulmer his job for probably 5 or 6 years.
then can we look at what UF did to him in 2007?
Posted on 12/29/08 at 2:31 pm to Maximus
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Whatever agree to disagree
Fair enough. We'll see come September.
Posted on 12/29/08 at 2:34 pm to Cash
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do you really want a HC, DC and OC all approaching their 70's?
His press conferences notwithstanding, the HC is not approaching 70.
Posted on 12/29/08 at 2:45 pm to Martin Blank
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its asserting that this is the "safe" hire, lower risk and lower reward
Fair point. But the main risk you don't have with Chavis is the risk of his defense "not working" in the SEC. It's demonstrably worked, and very well, in the SEC. My main concerns with Koenning and Walker were that their "stuff" wouldn't cut it week-in and week-out in this conference. That's probably worth placing a limit on the "ceiling" of the DC hire.
Koenning and Walker run more aggressive defenses than Chavis at Tenn. Koenning was a 3-4/4-3 hybrid zone blitz type of coach. Walker was a under 4-3, 1 gap aggressive defense like USC. Chavis sorta runs a 4-3, Tampa 2 bend don't break style.
Hell, just play better than this year and I am happy.
Posted on 12/29/08 at 2:53 pm to Martin Blank
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But the main risk you don't have with Chavis is the risk of his defense "not working" in the SEC. It's demonstrably worked, and very well, in the SEC.
It really hasn't worked for the past few years. When was the last time Chavis had a top ranked defense and Tenn had a winning record?
Not recently, here are Tenn defensive rankings from another post.
2004 #45
2005 #7
2006 #50
2007 #70
2008 #4
and Tenn record in 2008 is 5-7 and in 2005 Tenn record was 5-6.
Besides the lack of halftime adjustments, my bigger concern is all the fresh blood in the SEC that he has to deal with now in Meyer, Saban, Petino, Nutt and Chizic. They know Chavis, but Chavis doesn't know them. Plus, SOS always scores 24+ on him.
Chavis vs. Florida under Meyer:
2008: 30-6 loss
2007: 59-20 loss
2006: 21-20 loss
2005: 16-7 loss
Chavis vs. bama with Saban:
2008: 29-9 loss
2007: 41-17 loss
Chavis vs. USCeast with SOS:
2008: 27-6 loss
2007: 24-27 win in OT
2006: 31-24 win
2005: 16-15 loss
Posted on 12/29/08 at 2:56 pm to Suntiger
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Bud Foster will be a head coach when Beamer leaves VT.
Bud Foster will only be a HC at VT (if that) cause noone else is offering. He was interviewed by Clemson this year and by a litany of others in the past, but apparently doesn't impress other AD's. I think Chavis is different, he's fine with only ever being a DC and probably very much enjoys it. I for one would like to see a bit of stability there. One of the reasons Saban seemed inconsistent was probably the merry-go-round in his coaching staff year in and year out.
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That's great that his defense was statistically good this year. BTW, Tenn was 5-7 because teams didn't have to score a lot or run up a lot of stats, they could just run the clock out and outscore the offense. If the defense was that great they would have won a few more games.
Or, if Tenn played in the ACC, they could have won it like VT did. VT's total defense: #7, total offense #107...and somehow won 9 games. But Chavis's defense at #4 is nothing to crow about...right.
Posted on 12/29/08 at 2:58 pm to Suntiger
Did you watch any of these games?
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Besides the lack of halftime adjustments, my bigger concern is all the fresh blood in the SEC that he has to deal with now in Meyer, Saban, Petino, Nutt and Chizic. They know Chavis, but Chavis doesn't know them. Plus, SOS always scores 24+ on him.
Chavis vs. Florida under Meyer:
2008: 30-6 loss
2007: 59-20 loss
2006: 21-20 loss
2005: 16-7 loss
Chavis vs. bama with Saban:
2008: 29-9 loss
2007: 41-17 loss
Chavis vs. USCeast with SOS:
2008: 27-6 loss
2007: 24-27 win in OT
2006: 31-24 win
2005: 16-15 loss
Posted on 12/29/08 at 3:12 pm to CountryVolFan
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Did you watch any of these games?
No he didn't. He obviously just looked at the final score and drew his own conclusions.
Posted on 12/29/08 at 3:19 pm to beardedzeus
He had UF on the ropes in 2006 (their MNC win). Took a miraculous 4th down play by Tebow for UF to win that game.
He will be working with better players than what UT has had the past decade or so.
I feel confident about this hire.
He will be working with better players than what UT has had the past decade or so.
I feel confident about this hire.
Posted on 12/29/08 at 3:21 pm to beardedzeus
points dont tell the whole story. They havent had a QB worth a crap since Peyton Manning.
When Chavis has had the players and they have been healthy, he has put top notch defenses on the field. I know in 2006 and 07 he had some major issues with injuries and guys getting suspeneded and that sort of thing.
When Chavis has had the players and they have been healthy, he has put top notch defenses on the field. I know in 2006 and 07 he had some major issues with injuries and guys getting suspeneded and that sort of thing.
Posted on 12/29/08 at 3:25 pm to CountryVolFan
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Bud Foster will only be a HC at VT (if that) cause noone else is offering.
I thought it was fairly well understood that Foster wasn't leaving and would take over for Beamer when he left?
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Did you watch any of these games?
Some of them I did and some I didn't. UF has not had a problem at all with Tenn the last two years. 2006 was a good game if I'm think of the right one and was a defensive struggle that ended with UT turning the ball over and UF running out the clock. I stopped watching Bama vs. UT early last year and don't think I watched the game at all this year.
What's your point? Am I wrong about the losses and points scored? Do you think Chavis has Meyer, SOS and Petino figured out?
Posted on 12/29/08 at 3:27 pm to Martin Blank
You should post more in topics involving talk about football. This board and every board on this site would be better off if that happened.
Chavis is the safe choice, and as far as we know, maybe the only one possible given certain parameters.
I think everyone would like to have been blown away with this decision, and as much speculation that took place, there had to be an inevitable letdown. But, when you look at the years of experience in the SEC, the fact that he does not include himself in the yearly coaching carousel, and that he survived as a commodity in Fulmer's collapse, he is a great choice.
Tennessee's offense has never done Chavis any favors without Cutcliffe. When you look at what they did last year and this year alone given their offensive situation, there is no reason to believe he will not succeed in purple and gold.
Chavis is the safe choice, and as far as we know, maybe the only one possible given certain parameters.
I think everyone would like to have been blown away with this decision, and as much speculation that took place, there had to be an inevitable letdown. But, when you look at the years of experience in the SEC, the fact that he does not include himself in the yearly coaching carousel, and that he survived as a commodity in Fulmer's collapse, he is a great choice.
Tennessee's offense has never done Chavis any favors without Cutcliffe. When you look at what they did last year and this year alone given their offensive situation, there is no reason to believe he will not succeed in purple and gold.
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