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re: How credible is the Ole Miss effort to poach Frank Wilson?
Posted on 12/6/11 at 2:05 pm to DCRebel
Posted on 12/6/11 at 2:05 pm to DCRebel
You really think you can get in a bidding war for Wilson? If it comes down to money, he is staying at LSU. No way in hell he leaves for that disaster over there. A small pay raise isn't going to give him job security in that black hole.
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Posted on 12/6/11 at 2:17 pm to deuce985
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A small pay raise isn't going to give him job security in that black hole.
That's what we're saying; it wouldn't be a small pay raise.
Unless you promote him to OC, you won't be able to justify offering him such a salary. If we hire him as an "OC", we will totally be able to pay him much more than what you're paying him. It won't be a "small pay raise" at that point. It would be more like a $150K more.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 2:24 pm to DCRebel
And you honestly don't think LSU would give him another title to give him a substantial raise to combat a Ole Piss offer? Keep dreaming.
He has said many times LSU was his dream job. He is from NO. He can establish himself as one of the hot young coaches at LSU if he stays here. He has been successful everywhere he has been. Already getting a high job offer at a SEC team is a great sign for him. Why would he squander it going there, even if they somehow outbid LSU? I'm sure he'd rather have job security and establishing his career more. And he'll get a raise at LSU anyway.
LSU could just come right back and offer him a Co-OC title, although he technically never calls the games.
He has said many times LSU was his dream job. He is from NO. He can establish himself as one of the hot young coaches at LSU if he stays here. He has been successful everywhere he has been. Already getting a high job offer at a SEC team is a great sign for him. Why would he squander it going there, even if they somehow outbid LSU? I'm sure he'd rather have job security and establishing his career more. And he'll get a raise at LSU anyway.
LSU could just come right back and offer him a Co-OC title, although he technically never calls the games.
This post was edited on 12/6/11 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 12/6/11 at 2:27 pm to Jim Rockford
You LSU fans crack me up. He is a football coach and I imagine someday he would like to be a head coach. About the only way to get there is to move up the ranks and eventually become a coordinator (unless you go the C-USA or Sun-Belt route and even then it's rare). Do you see LSU making him the offensive coordinator? Will he take the job at Ole Miss if offered? I have no idea. But to think there is not a chance is just dumb.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 2:29 pm to dores97
I'd totally agree with you if a OC offer was a step up at Ole Miss. It isn't. If you see it as yes, then you haven't watch Ole Miss this year. I'm not even sure they belong in the SEC right now based on how terrible they are. When Kentucky and Vandy looks better than you...you know your program is in a world of shite.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 2:30 pm to deuce985
can't blame him for leaving if he does. moving up from rb coach to oc is a no brainer.
he can find talent in louisiana better than anyone.
he can find talent in louisiana better than anyone.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 2:42 pm to deuce985
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And you honestly don't think LSU would give him another title to give him a substantial raise to combat a Ole Piss offer? Keep dreaming.
Do you honestly believe you're promoting him to OC? If you do, then good on you.
At this point though, you're completely conceding my original point that, yes, he would leave LSU for Ole Miss if more money were on the line. Thank you.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 2:43 pm to deuce985
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I'd totally agree with you if a OC offer was a step up at Ole Miss. It isn't.
Why isn't it?
Posted on 12/6/11 at 2:43 pm to DCRebel
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That's what we're saying; it wouldn't be a small pay raise.
Unless you promote him to OC, you won't be able to justify offering him such a salary. If we hire him as an "OC", we will totally be able to pay him much more than what you're paying him. It won't be a "small pay raise" at that point. It would be more like a $150K more.
Unless Ole Miss is going to pay him around $700,000 to be their OC, I can assure you LSU will match whatever Ole Miss offers. He won't be an OC at LSU, but then again, many people think Freeze will be calling the plays at Ole Miss anyways, so he would likely be receiving the title only. Besides, is Ole Miss really going to pay Wilson, who has never been an OC, $600,000-700,000 a year? As of 2010, Ole Miss wasn't paying both of its coordinators combined $600,000.
I can guarantee you that LSU will not bat an eye at giving him upwards of $600-650,000 with titles of RB coach, Recruiting Coordinator, and maybe Assoc. Head Coach. Orgeron was in line to make about $600,000 as DL coach and Recruiting Coordinator before Wilson was hired.
This post was edited on 12/6/11 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 12/6/11 at 2:50 pm to Joe Joe Joe
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As of 2010, Ole Miss wasn't paying both of its coordinators combined $600,000.
and you know this how?
....considering we payed Nix around 900k because of his defenses in 08 and 09.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 2:53 pm to DCRebel
I don't think he would leave for ole miss even if the money is right. Wait a year and get a decent HC job at a small school. OC at ole miss is nothing but a title. It's freezes offense.
This post was edited on 12/6/11 at 2:54 pm
Posted on 12/6/11 at 2:57 pm to pankReb
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and you know this how?
....considering we payed Nix around 900k because of his defenses in 08 and 09.
Had the wrong person. Nix was making $500,000 as of 2010 and Markuson was at $320,000. Don't know what Lee was making and can't see outside compensation but I would be very surprised if Nix was making $900,000 a year.
Regardless, Wilson, as a RB coach at LSU, made more in 2010 than any coach at Ole Miss besides Nix, the DC. Also, Wilson got a bump following the 2010 season.
USA Today Salary breakdown
Posted on 12/6/11 at 3:05 pm to Joe Joe Joe
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Had the wrong person. Nix was making $500,000 as of 2010 and Markuson was at $320,000.
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Note: an asterisk designates a salary that does not include a statement of outside income.
Coaches salaries come partially from the Athletic department and also from UMAA and the Loyalty Foundation. Both are private institutions and do not abide by public institution laws. Therefore, they don't have divulge numbers.
500k came from the AD. The rest is from either UMAA or the LF.
:themoreyouknow:
Posted on 12/6/11 at 3:11 pm to Joe Joe Joe
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Unless Ole Miss is going to pay him around $700,000 to be their OC
That's the figure I've heard, actually...
Posted on 12/6/11 at 3:13 pm to DCRebel
Have to remember........
We paid Nutt over 2.5(was actually closer to 3)
We're paying Freeze 1.5 guaranteed.
We paid Nutt over 2.5(was actually closer to 3)
We're paying Freeze 1.5 guaranteed.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 3:14 pm to DCRebel
I seriously doubt ole miss will be able to cough up that money with nutts buyout
Posted on 12/6/11 at 3:15 pm to pankReb
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Coaches salaries come partially from the Athletic department and also from UMAA and the Loyalty Foundation. Both are private institutions and do not abide by public institution laws. Therefore, they don't have divulge numbers.
I understand how it works. It's also a two-way street. The implication that Ole Miss can pay Wilson "that much more" really doesn't hold any weight because we only know what Wilson makes as a base salary at LSU. Presumably, he could be receiving a large amount of outside compensation that would put his actual salary far above what Ole Miss may offer.
Traditionally, however, assistant coaches receive nearly all their salary from the school and not a 501(k) organization like TAF or UMAA. Assistant coaches don't have the endorsement and media packages like head coaches, and this is generally where a lot of the "big" money comes from for coaches' salaries. Also, assistant coaches rarely have multi-year contracts. Thus, it's reasonable to assume that what is reported from the university is more in line with actual pay, because there would be no reason to stack the back end of a contract or stagger payments for assistants that could be gone in a year.
On a different note, if Tyrone Nix was actually getting paid $900,000 for his defenses at Ole Miss while Muschamp, Chavis, and Smart were all making less than that for their defenses at Texas, LSU, and Alabama, respectively, during that time, then Ole Miss is even dumber than I thought.
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$700,000
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That's the figure I've heard, actually...
I'd imagine LSU would match that figure and give him a bump in title of sorts, but anything above would be a different story.
This post was edited on 12/6/11 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 12/6/11 at 3:16 pm to Jim Rockford
whatever ole miss offers, LSU needs to double it
frank wilson cannot go to another SEC school
frank wilson cannot go to another SEC school
Posted on 12/6/11 at 3:18 pm to memphisplaya
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I seriously doubt ole miss will be able to cough up that money with nutts buyout
We've got the money.
Posted on 12/6/11 at 3:19 pm to DCRebel
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We've got the money.
You're right that Ole Miss has the money. But also, common economic sense kicks in at some point, too. There's a threshold I'd imagine Ole Miss knows it cannot justifiably pay Wilson as an unproven OC.
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