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Florida is above Napiers pay-grade.
Posted on 12/6/21 at 10:19 am
Posted on 12/6/21 at 10:19 am
I watched Louisiana a few times this year, and was not all that impressed. Frankly, I can't explain how they beat South Alabama. They were thoroughly whipped in that game.
To be honest, I thought they were out-played in a few games this year, but somehow found a way to win. Having said that, there is something to be said for finding a way to win games you shouldn't.
I also seems like they started fast, in most of their games, then coasted the rest of the way, just doing enough to hold on to the win.
There is so much less room for error in P5 football. Eventually he might end up being a good coach, but there will be a learning curve. I'm glad he isn't learning at LSU.
To be honest, I thought they were out-played in a few games this year, but somehow found a way to win. Having said that, there is something to be said for finding a way to win games you shouldn't.
I also seems like they started fast, in most of their games, then coasted the rest of the way, just doing enough to hold on to the win.
There is so much less room for error in P5 football. Eventually he might end up being a good coach, but there will be a learning curve. I'm glad he isn't learning at LSU.
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Posted on 12/6/21 at 10:21 am to geauxkoo
You’re probably right… but that doesn’t mean he can’t develop into a very good P5 head coach. Time will tell.
Posted on 12/6/21 at 10:22 am to geauxkoo
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There is so much less room for error in P5 football.
Since 2018 in 1 possession games
Riley 17-5
Napier 15-3
Posted on 12/6/21 at 10:24 am to geauxkoo
You are right but the fact that they play dog shite Vandy, South Carolina, Tennessee, Kentucky, and Mizzou every year will make him at least a 9 win coach if he isn't a dumbass
Posted on 12/6/21 at 10:26 am to geauxkoo
Watched his introductory presser live last night, have even less worries than I did when we hired him (which weren't much)...We're in great hands, this mf'r has a plan.
Posted on 12/6/21 at 10:28 am to Sub Par SUPERSTAR
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We're in great hands, this mf'r has a plan.
Ed Had a binder. His plan was documented.
Posted on 12/6/21 at 10:31 am to lowspark12
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You’re probably right… but that doesn’t mean he can’t develop into a very good P5 head coach.
Question is whether or not Florida is wanting to be the place to develop him. A good bit of risk there.
Posted on 12/6/21 at 10:32 am to Sub Par SUPERSTAR
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We're in great hands, this mf'r has a plan
Damn you guys are lucky, no coach has ever had one of those before.
Posted on 12/6/21 at 10:41 am to geauxkoo
Happy to watch someone else go the” growing pains” route.
Posted on 12/6/21 at 10:45 am to geauxkoo
I never got into the Napier vs the world threads.
But dogging him may come back to bite you.
He might do just fine and end u getting a pay raise by year two.
But dogging him may come back to bite you.
He might do just fine and end u getting a pay raise by year two.
Posted on 12/6/21 at 10:57 am to Sub Par SUPERSTAR
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this mf'r has a plan.
Yea, I think he's going to certainly field more complete teams than Mullen did. Will he be able to compete for SEC Titles? I have no idea, but if I were a Gator fan I'd feel better about Napier than I ever did about Mullen.
Posted on 12/6/21 at 11:14 am to Sub Par SUPERSTAR
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Watched his introductory presser live last night, have even less worries than I did when we hired him (which weren't much)...We're in great hands, this mf'r has a plan.
I watched that press conference as well, and he comes across as being a little dense. Not saying he is, but ala Miles, he appears to be one brick short of a chimney.
I do think he's an elite recruiter, but I fail to see him as an elite schemer. Just ask LSU, great recruiting doesn't equate to great winning.
Posted on 12/6/21 at 11:17 am to geauxkoo
Those downplaying what Napier accomplished at ULL are completely ignorant. On the flip side, those acting like he is some can't miss coach are also pretty foolish.
There is some risk involved hiring him. At the end of the day, I'm very glad LSU took the route they did. Even if Napier does great at Florida, I can stand behind our hire of Kelly.
There is some risk involved hiring him. At the end of the day, I'm very glad LSU took the route they did. Even if Napier does great at Florida, I can stand behind our hire of Kelly.
This post was edited on 12/6/21 at 11:18 am
Posted on 12/6/21 at 11:33 am to Sub Par SUPERSTAR
I'm a fan of Napier and think Florida made a good hire. Time will tell. Think the Op is seeing what he wants to see only. But:
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We're in great hands, this mf'r has a plan.
Posted on 12/6/21 at 11:43 am to geauxkoo
quote:I'm a Napier fan, and I can appreciate his philosophy about going for it on fourth down (based in part on losing his starting kicker early this year).
I watched Louisiana a few times this year, and was not all that impressed. Frankly, I can't explain how they beat South Alabama. They were thoroughly whipped in that game.
But his play design and play calling in those fourth down situations can be highly questionable. The ULM game was much closer than it should have been thanks to a fourth-and-2 call inside the five that was just God-awful. He had another one at midfield that was a disaster.
Against Appy State, he was rescued by Emani Bailey, who was the best back by far against that front seven but who barely played in the first half.
So we'll see who he brings in as OC, because if I'm UF, my no. 1 reservation about Napier is his play design and calling. I hope he grows out of it.
Posted on 12/6/21 at 11:54 am to Ice Cold
some how managing to win is also known as COACHING
Posted on 12/6/21 at 11:56 am to dstone12
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He might do just fine
Then it will be a rare exception
Kelly and Tressell won national championships before they made it in P5. Urban had 2 conf titles in 2 years at a soon to be P5 school, before making it at UF
Napier won 1 conf title in a weak G5 conf. He simply doesnt have the history that other successful G5 coaches had when they jumped
Napier is more akin to Fuente, 1 conf title in G5, now fired from P5. Or Fleck had 1 conf title, and has 4+ losses in 4 of 5 P5 years. Or Clawson who had 1 conf title, and still hasnt won his conf in 8 years at a P5
Posted on 12/6/21 at 12:14 pm to RobbBobb
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Then it will be a rare exception
Kelly and Tressell won national championships before they made it in P5. Urban had 2 conf titles in 2 years at a soon to be P5 school, before making it at UF
Napier won 1 conf title in a weak G5 conf. He simply doesnt have the history that other successful G5 coaches had when they jumped
Napier is more akin to Fuente, 1 conf title in G5, now fired from P5. Or Fleck had 1 conf title, and has 4+ losses in 4 of 5 P5 years. Or Clawson who had 1 conf title, and still hasnt won his conf in 8 years at a P5
I don't think most people can truly appreciate the difference between P5 schools and the rest of the country. There is a ginourmous delta between P5 and non P5 schools in talent.
Schemes that work at UL will not work against P5 defenses. Throwing windows get tighter, time in the pocket gets shorter, pass rush gets faster, and running lanes get smaller. The game is played differently as the P5 level.
It is not apples to apples going from UL to UF.
Posted on 12/6/21 at 1:00 pm to geauxkoo
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Schemes that work at UL will not work against P5 defenses. Throwing windows get tighter, time in the pocket gets shorter, pass rush gets faster, and running lanes get smaller. The game is played differently as the P5 level.
It is not apples to apples going from UL to UF.
No schit as it's all relative. Napier will be recruiting 4 and 5 star athletes, kids that would never even consider ULL. At best his UL roster was loaded with 2-star kids and a handful of 3-star athletes. Against similar talent (SBC teams) he found ways to win including 33-5 in his last 3 years. He beat App St 3x's in a row due to coaching and players executing when it mattered most.
ULL plays several P5 schools each year and there is a very noticeable gap in the talent and depth. ULL doesn't have the horses to compete with SEC schools. If Napier's future recruiting classes are in the top 10-15, and the players buy into his "process", FLA should finish 10-2 or better each year. To win the SECE and beat UGA, the stars will have to line up perfectly.
I wish Napier success at FLA except when he plays vs. LSU.
Posted on 12/6/21 at 1:28 pm to RobbBobb
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Then it will be a rare exception
Kelly and Tressell won national championships before they made it in P5. Urban had 2 conf titles in 2 years at a soon to be P5 school, before making it at UF
Napier won 1 conf title in a weak G5 conf. He simply doesnt have the history that other successful G5 coaches had when they jumped
Napier is more akin to Fuente, 1 conf title in G5, now fired from P5. Or Fleck had 1 conf title, and has 4+ losses in 4 of 5 P5 years. Or Clawson who had 1 conf title, and still hasnt won his conf in 8 years at a P5
Something that does distinguish him, however is that he has high level experience as an assistant. The biggest school Fuente ever worked for was TCU (?). Norvell was Arizona State. Napier having worked at places like Bama and Clemson, he's not unfamiliar with the expectations and requirements to be successful at this level.
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