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Doing a lot with a little
Posted on 12/20/13 at 4:19 pm
Posted on 12/20/13 at 4:19 pm
If a coach can produce good results with a little bit of talent, is it a given that he can do a great results with a lot of talent?
Id say a good example of someone who has done both is Gus Malzahn.
Are there examples of coaches who were relatively better working with underdog teams than teams loaded with talent?
Id say a good example of someone who has done both is Gus Malzahn.
Are there examples of coaches who were relatively better working with underdog teams than teams loaded with talent?
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Posted on 12/20/13 at 4:22 pm to bamafan1001
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Are there examples of coaches who were relatively better working with underdog teams than teams loaded with talent?
Well, there are coaches that hate recruiting but do well with lesser talent. Like Mike Gundy, Petrino, etc.
Posted on 12/20/13 at 4:24 pm to bamafan1001
Houston Nutt? Hell I dunno
Posted on 12/20/13 at 4:24 pm to bamafan1001
quote:Dale Brown was the Master.
Are there examples of coaches who were relatively better working with underdog teams than teams loaded with talent
Posted on 12/20/13 at 4:26 pm to Camp Randall
quote:I was going to say him as well.
Houston Nutt
Posted on 12/20/13 at 5:07 pm to bamafan1001
I'm sure there are, though I think it has much more to do with the personalities that accompany top talent than the actual talent differential.
Posted on 12/20/13 at 5:21 pm to bamafan1001
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Id say a good example of someone who has done both is Gus Malzahn.
Against the competition Ark State played, they had plenty of talent. See how he does in an Auburn rebuilding year. Heck maybe you're talking this Auburn team lacking talent for a SEC team - I don't know much about them.
Dale Brown didn't do much with his most talented team that had Shaq and Chris Jackson. But he did a lot with his second most talented group - that final 4 team with Rudy Macklin
Posted on 12/20/13 at 5:45 pm to dante
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Dale Brown was the Master.
And the inverse. He sucked with talent. Chris Jackson, O'neal and Roberts. One and done.
Posted on 12/20/13 at 5:52 pm to TigerMyth36
Pinkel has done a good job at finding 2 star kids and low 3 star kids and getting a lot out of them.
I believe Sam was a 2 star kid, as well as Washington, out of La.
William moore with Falcons was a 3 star from missouri, Spoon was a 2 1/2-3 star kid from texas.
Several walk ons and found their way into a starting gig. Hell, one of them went from walk on to a senior captain.
Not the biggest fan of his, especially his attitude for a guy who's won nothing, but he does get a lot out of his players. They have their own system, and thats how they grade them.
I know, that rivals and scout have changed their views on kids Missouri offers, and have watched them more closely on grading. Eithert their star system is crap, or Pinkel and them are great at finding diamonds in the rough.
I believe Sam was a 2 star kid, as well as Washington, out of La.
William moore with Falcons was a 3 star from missouri, Spoon was a 2 1/2-3 star kid from texas.
Several walk ons and found their way into a starting gig. Hell, one of them went from walk on to a senior captain.
Not the biggest fan of his, especially his attitude for a guy who's won nothing, but he does get a lot out of his players. They have their own system, and thats how they grade them.
I know, that rivals and scout have changed their views on kids Missouri offers, and have watched them more closely on grading. Eithert their star system is crap, or Pinkel and them are great at finding diamonds in the rough.
Posted on 12/20/13 at 6:04 pm to SeeeeK
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Eithert their star system is crap, or Pinkel and them are great at finding diamonds in the rough.
Rivals has been exposed based upon some of the shite Geoff Ketchum pulled with Texas recruits that mysteriously gained 2-3 stars after committing and commits for other schools losing a star or two after eliminating Texas from consideration.
Posted on 12/20/13 at 6:09 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
What i always found amusing, was when Missouri offered a kid who was a 2 1/2-3 star, nothing. Suddenly 2 weeks later, OU offers and he gets bumped to a 3 1/2 to 4 star. Used to happen to kids MU targeted in Texas.
Posted on 12/20/13 at 6:12 pm to bamafan1001
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Id say a good example of someone who has done both is Gus Malzahn.
Auburn's recruiting classes says Malzahn had a lot of talent to work with.
Posted on 12/20/13 at 7:35 pm to bamafan1001
Are you saying malzhan hasnt had multiple top 10 recruiting classes to work with?
Posted on 12/20/13 at 7:39 pm to WestCoastAg
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Are you saying malzhan hasnt had multiple top 10 recruiting classes to work with?
Clearly, Auburn is the team with talent. He has also coached at Arkansas State, Tulsa, Arkansas. Malzahn didn't just suddenly start coaching football this year.
Posted on 12/20/13 at 8:04 pm to bamafan1001
It's assumed, but the number of coaches that achieve great results isn't too high. Either way, you'll never find out until you give the guy a shot.
Posted on 12/21/13 at 10:16 am to junkfunky
james franklin at vandy, is my choice. he gets more out of his players than any coach in the sec. and on top of that THEY ALL GRADUATE.
Posted on 12/21/13 at 10:11 pm to bamafan1001
for how long? some coaches have a great year and get elevated to top status. bull shite.
some coaches, like at Boise, have better talent than they are credited with.
to even intimate that auburn doesn't have a lot of talent is wrong. they have talent. so the gus bus is better than chizik, we have only seen one year.
some coaches, like at Boise, have better talent than they are credited with.
to even intimate that auburn doesn't have a lot of talent is wrong. they have talent. so the gus bus is better than chizik, we have only seen one year.
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