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Posted on 1/22/21 at 9:44 am to DiamondDog
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That’s ridiculous. There are a ton more variables. Depends on who the coach is for starters.
Ok sure but you're assertion is that O can't hire any DC with a good reputation because no one respects him which is completely made up by you.
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LSU throws 2M around and they don’t have people knocking down the door. You tell me what the one variable is here. It ain’t the school or program.
do you have any idea how this stuff works. LSU doesn't put out a number and then say come on coaches who is hungry for $2MM?? I can tell you more than one variable.
1) some coaches aren't motivated by money more by location and what's best for their family (Freeman)
2) some coaches are trapped in contracts they can't get out of (Nielsen)
3) some coaches are happy where they are at and have been for years so they won't make a lateral move to lsu (referring to your 'reputable' DC comment.)
Instead of just spouting off bullshite you have no proof of why don't you tell me which reputable DC coaches O should have reached out to and would have left their job this year. You're making a claim we don't have a reputable DC because no reputable DC respects O.
So which DCs are 'reputable', in your opinion, that are available or could realistically be hired away this off season if not for O being our HC?
Posted on 1/22/21 at 9:49 am to SouthernInsanity
I disagree. I like the transparancy. I want to follow the process to grade the hire. I don't melt when circumstances causes a guy not to come. There are many good candidates. No one but whiny fans and local media care if you miss on a guy. It is all about the guy that you get. Does anyone care or remember who Auburn went after first, second? nope. They remember they hired a good coach. We missed on two guys. So what. We know they are targeting high quality hungry candidates. Unlike the silent search last year when they just hired a scheme fit guy on the backside of his career. .
Posted on 1/22/21 at 9:53 am to DiamondDog
D-Dog, still waiting on your list that T-Tracker asked for.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 9:55 am to boudinman
I think it's bad news considering they've been leaking everything else. Makes me think they got nothin
Posted on 1/22/21 at 10:03 am to Tiger Tracker
Why I’m even wasting my time on explaining this I have no idea.
People are attracted to organizations and leaders that can not only improve themselves, provide satisfaction and improve their careers. Same for coaches. I was lucky to have worked for a National leader in my field. When we had job openings, we didn’t have to go find and interview, vett candidates. They came to us. The same with coaches. Go look at Saban, Dabo, Day, Riley...our peers.
Asking me to name the coaching field is a ridiculous straw man. I can look at the leader, the organization, the programs direction and I see a leader that’s bewildered. An organization confused on its direction. I don’t think anything is wrong with LSU or it’s brand. What’s the common variable here? O has been abysmal in hiring coordinators to this point.
I love LSU but the truth is the truth.
People are attracted to organizations and leaders that can not only improve themselves, provide satisfaction and improve their careers. Same for coaches. I was lucky to have worked for a National leader in my field. When we had job openings, we didn’t have to go find and interview, vett candidates. They came to us. The same with coaches. Go look at Saban, Dabo, Day, Riley...our peers.
Asking me to name the coaching field is a ridiculous straw man. I can look at the leader, the organization, the programs direction and I see a leader that’s bewildered. An organization confused on its direction. I don’t think anything is wrong with LSU or it’s brand. What’s the common variable here? O has been abysmal in hiring coordinators to this point.
I love LSU but the truth is the truth.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 10:25 am to DiamondDog
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When we had job openings, we didn’t have to go find and interview, vett candidates. They came to us. The same with coaches. Go look at Saban, Dabo, Day, Riley...our peers.
This says everything. You think coordinators, especially respected ones currently employed, just start calling the HCs you mentioned and ask them to interview?
I hate to burst your bubble but well respected coordinators don't go door to door of the top programs begging for a job. The HC will go through a list of their top candidates and pick the best available.
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Asking me to name the coaching field is a ridiculous straw man.
Never asked for anything unreasonable. All I asked was to back up your assertion with some actual evidence. Just tell me which coaches, which are available or could be bought away, aren't at lsu because they don't respect O. You made the claim yet provide nothing to back that up.
Your only 'evidence' is this:
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I can look at the leader, the organization, the programs direction and I see a leader that’s bewildered. An organization confused on its direction.
Forgive me if I would not take 'Diamond dog' at his 'expert' analysis of the lsu athletic department when he has zero inside information in to the state of the program. God forbid you name just one coach to back up your claim. That's all I am asking. It's not a straw man it's asking you to provide actual evidence that O can't hire a good coordinator because no one respects him.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 10:28 am to Tiger Tracker
Alright. O is a great coach and leader. He does wonderful job. Hires only the best. Top of his field.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 10:30 am to Tiger Tracker
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I asked was to back up your assertion with some actual evidence. Just tell me which coaches, which are available or could be bought away, aren't at lsu because they don't respect O.
You’re asking me to provide a list that everyone knows is unknowable for those not in the field. Can you know the best oil and gas attorneys in the nation? Probably not because you’re not in the field. It’s a dumb premise to hold you to a standard, someone like me, who does this every day would know.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 10:34 am to DiamondDog
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You’re asking me to provide a list that everyone knows is unknowable for those not in the field. Can you know the best oil and gas attorneys in the nation? Probably not because you’re not in the field. It’s a dumb premise to hold you to a standard, someone like me, who does this every day would know
OK so you say coach O can't get a reputable DC and has to 'settle' for up and comers because no reputable DC respects him. Yet in your quote above you clearly state you have no idea of which coaches do or do not respect him. So in other words your assertion that no reputable coaches respect O is based off absolutely nothing. Thanks for clarifying. That's exactly what I thought.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 10:37 am to Tiger Tracker
If people really wanted to work with Orgeron, you think we’d be sitting here two months going into this going...man who we going to hire.
Our offensive coordinator had to go be sourced from a prior hire in Brady.
Canada quit after one year.
We settled again for E.
Pelini was drug up from division 2 after winning a National title. You think we’d have a better selection.
If you can tell a tree by the fruit, the branches are bare, buddy.
But nothing will change. You’ll still think O is the best when they haul him off campus in 2 years after he goes 7-5 next two years.
Our offensive coordinator had to go be sourced from a prior hire in Brady.
Canada quit after one year.
We settled again for E.
Pelini was drug up from division 2 after winning a National title. You think we’d have a better selection.
If you can tell a tree by the fruit, the branches are bare, buddy.
But nothing will change. You’ll still think O is the best when they haul him off campus in 2 years after he goes 7-5 next two years.
This post was edited on 1/22/21 at 10:39 am
Posted on 1/22/21 at 10:39 am to DiamondDog
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When we had job openings, we didn’t have to go find and interview, vett candidates. They came to us. The same with coaches. Go look at Saban, Dabo, Day, Riley...our peers.
Saban just hired TWO unemployed coaches. Employed coaches must not have gone to him.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 10:39 am to DiamondDog
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O is a great coach and leader. He does wonderful job. Hires only the best. Top of his field.
I never said any of that. I didn't like the last coordinator hires either but it seems like they are trying to fix that for this search. I never wanted O here to begin with and I don't know if he will ever get back to 2019 status. With that said, I just find it funny that people like you will come on here and claim it's because no one respects O with absolutely zero inside knowledge or evidence to back it up. If they frick up this DC hire I will be just as upset as anyone but I am at least willing to see who they get and how the D performs in 2021 before declaring the search a failure.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 10:44 am to DiamondDog
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You’ll still think O is the best when they haul him off campus in 2 years after he goes 7-5 next two years.
Again something made up in your head. I honestly think O's success hinges on this hire and if he screws it up he will be done. If we go 7-5 the next two years he deserves to be fired no questions asked. We should be back to competing for championships in the next 1-2 years. With our recruiting classes and good coordinator hires no reason not to expect that. If he can't do that then he doesn't need to be HC.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 10:47 am to Tiger Tracker
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honestly think O's success hinges on this hire and if he screws it up he will be done.
Why should his success should hinge on a single hire. That’s what I find absurd. Is he so inept that a single hire will sink his ship? Can he not compensate?
Posted on 1/22/21 at 11:08 am to boudinman
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Yes. Anyone and Everyone. They all need to STFU
You should take your own advice.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 11:20 am to boudinman
There are 4 NFL teams still playing ball. It may be that our guy is still playing for a Super Bowl. I wonder if Eric Washington would be interested? Scott Long mentioned him this morning. He has a good resume and is from Shreveport.
Eric Washington DL Coach Buffalo Bills
Eric Washington DL Coach Buffalo Bills
This post was edited on 1/22/21 at 11:55 am
Posted on 1/22/21 at 11:44 am to DiamondDog
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When we had job openings, we didn’t have to go find and interview, vett candidates. They came to us. The same with coaches. Go look at Saban, Dabo, Day, Riley...our peers.
saban has pete golding as his dc (who nobody else wants or wanted)
dabo has had same dc for yrs
day’s dc is a 60 yr old first time dc
Posted on 1/22/21 at 11:51 am to BK785
quote:For me, this is the biggest and most stupid problem with the LSU process...
He basically leaked news out about Freeman and Nielsen
Posted on 1/22/21 at 11:53 am to DiamondDog
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Is he so inept that a single hire will sink his ship?
Are you so inept you can't see that people are not talking about a single hire?? Pelini didn't sink his ship. Canada didn't sink his ship... 5 and 5 didn't sink his ship. However all those things raise questions and are causes for concern. You can look back at his time at Ole Miss and his time here..... he seems to screw up some coaching hires. He has made some good ones too but its an overall body of work that usually sinks ships.
I hope he gets this right and I hope LSU is back in the hunt but if he doesn't then I also don't have a problem with them making a change depending on the circumstances... and those circumstances could be did the team improve throughout the year? Are players transferring out? Is there unity within the program or divide? There is more than one thing to look at...and more than just wins and losses in a single season.
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