re: Curley Hallman was a more successful HC than O was

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How is that a reach? All I did was quote stats and I even tossed out the Favre years for Hallman.

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What do the stats look like when you combine both coaches' total records? Honestly just asking as I think the premise is pretty stupid so I'm not going to waste my time looking but that's the metric you need to use if you're doing winning %.

And O is about a million times better recruiter so even if he got run off in a few years, the cupboard would at least be full. Hellman was a match that essentially burned LSU football to the ground.

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Our fans are going to doom us to mediocrity for the foreseeable future by emotionally demanding Orgeron.

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so coach O is "branded" for life. he was a failure at ole miss; he freely admits it and explains it. the man has grown. and people like you won't account for that; even the possibility of it.

I am a retired sales manager and many of my best sales guys had failed at a job prior to me hiring them. there is no how to manuel and sometimes making mistakes is the best way to learn.

his HC experience since then is pretty darn good and I think the man should be fairly considered and if he wins the west, hire him!

we haven't even been competitive in the SEC west since '13 and we have been competitive only twice in the last 6 or 7 years. LSU fans want to be in the hunt; for SEC titles and playoff opportunities.

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he was a failure at ole miss; he freely admits it and explains it. the man has grown. and people like you won't account for that; even the possibility of it.

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I believe he would be better and should get a chance at a smaller school, not at LSU.

You don't go from being worse than Curley to elite or even very good. Not after 10 years, not after 100 years.

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He had...has...the morals of an ally cat, cheated on his wife every chance he had, more than a few times in the old HC's office in TS in the late hrs and was often seen hanging out in strip clubs down on the Redneck Rivera after getting fired from 3 different schools. A huge POS.

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And even in spite of all that he was a better full time HC than O.

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than why do you not want to keep Ensminger as OC? This is hypocritical.

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Where did I say NOT to hire Ensminger? Oh, just read it again and I DIDN'T say not to hire Ensminger. I said his OC hire will be key if he can keep Aranda as the DC. I am 1,000% correct in that statement!

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And even in spite of all that he was a better full time HC than O

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He had a better record as you pointed out, but that doesn't mean he was a better full time HC. Recruiting is a huge part of being a HC and Hallman was HORRIBLE at it and arguably Orgeron is one of the best in the country. So yes Hallman's w/l record was better but NO he was not a better HC and more importantly Orgeron is proving he has changed the things that didn't work and that is working for him.

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Recruiting is a huge part of being a HC and Hallman was HORRIBLE


wtf, are you drunk? Hallman had some pretty good recruiting classes at LSU.

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Nope not drunk or high like you are. Put down the crack pipe Drac it is rotting your brain!!!!

ville, Ky. (Fern Creek)

1994
HEAD COACH CURLEY HALLMAN
DB Aaron Adams, Metairie (East Jefferson)
OL Rusty Barrilleaux, Amite (Amite)
OL Jeremy Baye, Marrero (Shaw)
WR Chris Beard, Shreveport (Byrd)
LB Trupania Bonner, New Orleans (Jesuit)
QB Josh Booty, Shreveport (Evangel)
RB Kendall Cleveland,West Orange, Texas (Stark)
WR Chris Cummings, Dothan, Ala. (Dothan)
RB/SS Alja Delaney, Haughton (Haughton)
TE/LB Chad Ducre, Mandeville (Mandeville)
OL Alan Faneca, Rosenberg, TX (Lamar Consolidated)
LB Benaderyl Franklin, Moss Point, Miss. (Moss Point)
OL Eric Griffin, Galliano (South Lafourche)
QB Melvin Hill, Mansfield (Mansfield)
DB Raion Hill, New Orleans (Brother Martin)
OL Brian Humke, Bossier City (Airline)
DE Arnold Miller, New Orleans (Carver)
LB Matt Newchurch, Thibodaux (E.D. White)
PK Wade Richey, Carencro (Carencro)
TE Edward Singleton, Cecilia (Cecilia)
WR Eric Smith,Vero Beach, Fla. (NW Miss. JUCO)
OL Lee Stromberg, Monroe (Ouachita)
LB/DE Mike Sutton, New Orleans (Salmen)
CB Troy Twillie, Slidell (Slidell)

1993
HEAD COACH CURLEY HALLMAN
RB Derrick Beavers, Carencro, La. (Carencro)
TE Josh Bradley, Oak Grove, La. (Oak Grove)
DB Hunter Bullard, Bossier City, La. (Airline)
DL David Carmona, Richardson, Texas (Richardson)
DB Talvi Crawford, Orlando, Fla. (Garden City CC)
WR Chris Cummings, Dothan, Ala. (Dothan)
RB Kevin Franklin, Baton Rouge, La. (Catholic)
DB Tyrone Frazier, Shreveport, La. (Woodlawn)
DB Chris Green, Hahnville, La. (Hahnville)
LB Jeff Hampton, Clear Lake, Texas (Clear Lake)
LB Furnell Hankton, New Orleans, La. (B.T.Wash.)
OL Todd Holland, Orlando, Fla. (Boone)
LB Tim Hutton, Slidell, La. (Slidell)
WR Eddie Kennison, Lake Charles, La. (Wash.-Marion)
P/PK Chad Kessler, Lake Mary, Fla. (Lake Mary)
LB Brandon Michel, Lutcher, La. (Lutcher)
LB Kenny Mixon, Pineville, La. (Pineville)
DL Heath Panks, Slidell, La. (Salmen)
OL Adam Perry, Covington, La. (Covington)
LB Pat Rogers, Shreveport, La. (Fair Park)
RB Jermaine Sharp, Monroe, La. (Ouachita Christian)
WR Eric Smith,Vero Beach, Fla. (NW Miss. JC)
LB Allen Stansberry, Baton Rouge, La. (Broadmoor)
DL Jason Stein, Luling, La. (Hahnville)
QB Casey Taber, Schulenburg, Texas (Schulenberg)
RB/KR Jimmy Taylor, Shreveport, La. (Northwood)
DB Denard Walker, Garland, Texas (South Garland)
LB Chuck Wiley, Baker, La. (Southern Lab)

1992
HEAD COACH CURLEY HALLMAN
NG Doug Admire, Rockwall, Texas (Rockwall)
OL Ben Bordelon, Mathews, La. (Central Lafourche)
RB David Butler, Bourg, La. (South Terrebone)
LB Mike Calais, Patterson, La. (Patterson)
OL Marcus Carmouche, Lafayette, La. (Carencro)
RB Robert Davis, Birmingham, Ala. (Homewood)
LB James Gillyard, Shreveport, La. (Woodlawn)
DB Robert Hawkins, Dallas, Texas (Carter)
DB Al Head, Amite, La. (Amite)
TE Chris Hill, Mansfield, La. (Mansfield)
QB Jamie Howard, Lafayette, La. (St. Thomas More)
DB Tory James, Marrero, La. (Archbishop Shaw)
OL Jeff Jenkins,West Monroe, La. (Ouachita Christian)
OL Kerry Jenkins, Tuscaloosa, Ala. (Holt)
RB Jay Johnson,Waco, Texas (Waco)
WR Eddie Kennison, Lake Charles, La. (Wash.-Marion)
TE David LaFleur,Westlake, La. (Westlake)
WR Clarence Lenton, Memhpis, Tenn. (Westwood)
DL Robert Miller, Hattiesburg, Miss. (Hattiesburg)
RB Artie Moore,Wiggins, Miss. (Stone County)
LB Gabe Northern, Baton Rouge, La. (Glen Oaks)
DL Ike Pullett, Baton Rouge, La. (Tara/Pearl River CC)
RB Robert Toomer, Sylvester, Ga. (County)
OL Sean Wells, Jenks, Okla. (Jenks)
SS Reggie Wilson, New Orleans, La. (John Curtis)
WR Sheddrick Wilson, Thomasville, Ga. (Thomasville)
DL Tori Workman,Winston-Salem, N.C. (Fork Union Academy)

1991
HEAD COACH CURLEY HALLMAN
DB John Bell, LaPorte, Texas (LaPorte)
DB Kimojha Brooks, DeRidder, La. (DeRidder)
DB Todd Burks, Denham Springs, La. (Fork Union Acad.)
DB Tony Cole, Shreveport, La. (Byrd)
LB William Crowell, Meridian, Miss. (Meridian)
LB Robert Deshotel, Lake Charles, La. (LaGrange)
OL Jeff Dupre, Opelousas, La. (Opelousas Catholic)
PK Matt Huerkamp, Shalimar,La. (Choctawhatchee)
QB Ryan Huffman, Houston, Texas (Clear Lake)
OL Mark King, Houma, La. (Terrebone)
RB John McClain, Cartersville, Ga. (Cartersville)
NG Brian Madden, Indianapolis, Ind. (Garden City CC)
DL Craig Robinson, Jackson, Miss. (Lanier)
LB Jason Smothers, Destrehan, La. (Destrehan)
TE Brandon Stelly, Opelousas, La. (Opelousas Catholic)
OL Jerome Sterling, River Ridge, La. (John Curtis)
DE Robert Thibodeaux, River Ridge, La. (John Curtis)
OL Tom Turner, Bastrop, La. (Bastrop)
LB Eric Valentino, Houston, Texas (Clear Lake)
OL Brian Ward, Linden, Ala. (Marengo Acad.)
LB Bobby Williams, Ruston, La. (Ruston)
DB Lee Williams, Monroe, La. (Valley Forge Acad.)
DB Rodney Young, Grambling, La. (Ruston)

Yep Curley Hallman was a recruiting monster!!! If you were playing High School teams!!!!

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Those classes were ranked in the top 15 and at least 1 was ranked in the top 10.

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Ok show me where they were ranked in the top 15?

Shows how dumb you really are you pick a player "as your lone example - LOL" that didn't have a career in the NFL instead of maybe Eddie Kennison. Are you really that dumb?

And here are the stats for Toomer, I know he didn't make it to the NFL but WOW with his stats below at LSU I can't figure out why.

Conf Class Att Yds Avg TD Rec Yds Avg TD Plays Yds Avg TD
1992 Louisiana 10 49 186 3.8 5 4 30 7.5 0 53 216 4.1 5
1993 Louisiana 11 82 295 3.6 4 2 11 5.5 0 84 306 3.6 4
1994 Louisiana 11 150 491 3.3 5 5 35 7.0 0 155 526 3.4 5
*1995 Louisiana 8 20 58 2.9 0 7 37 5.3 0 27 95 3.5 0

Oh wait I figured it out, because he wasn't that good!!!