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Curley Hallman was a more successful HC than O was
Posted on 10/26/16 at 8:04 am
Posted on 10/26/16 at 8:04 am
Even throwing out the Favre years at USM.
He won 36% of his games here.
O won 28% of his games at OM.
Let that sink in. And some of y'all want to give him the job. And don't quote me interim numbers, that's a totally different animal.
He won 36% of his games here.
O won 28% of his games at OM.
Let that sink in. And some of y'all want to give him the job. And don't quote me interim numbers, that's a totally different animal.
This post was edited on 10/26/16 at 8:07 am
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 8:07 am to Draconian Sanctions
You are reaching pretty hard right now. I would prefer a proven head coach over O but I think he is shite tons better than Hallman.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 8:12 am to Draconian Sanctions
Yea but could Hallman let his asst coaches coach the way that O does????
Posted on 10/26/16 at 8:13 am to Brazos
well that is true however look at what is taking place right now at LSU. This team is much much better after O took over. The team is more energized, playing complete games, the talent is being utilized and we finally have a head coach who is giving his team a chance to win.
Orgeron is a much better coach than he was ten years ago. It is still early and we have a lot of football left- I am not saying he deserves the job yet but he is making his case quite well.
Orgeron is a much better coach than he was ten years ago. It is still early and we have a lot of football left- I am not saying he deserves the job yet but he is making his case quite well.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 8:16 am to Draconian Sanctions
Our fans are going to doom us to mediocrity for the foreseeable future by emotionally demanding Orgeron.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 8:16 am to mikeytig
I understand your excitement and Im loving the way they are playing too. However I think what you are seeing is how stale Miles had the program. O is not working miracles over here.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 8:17 am to mikeytig
I said don't give me any of this interim stuff. There are literally hundreds of coaches who could and would have made the obvious changes Miles refused to make.
Being a great interim HC and a great permanent HC are two TOTALLY different things.
Being a great interim HC and a great permanent HC are two TOTALLY different things.
This post was edited on 10/26/16 at 8:20 am
Posted on 10/26/16 at 8:19 am to Brazos
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You are reaching pretty hard right now
How is that a reach? All I did was quote stats and I even tossed out the Favre years for Hallman.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 8:23 am to Draconian Sanctions
Still not hiring Fleck
Posted on 10/26/16 at 8:23 am to Brazos
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You are reaching pretty hard right now. I would prefer a proven head coach over O but I think he is shite tons better than Hallman.
He simply provided facts. How are facts reaching?
Posted on 10/26/16 at 8:30 am to Jack Daniel
This has nothing to do with Fleck. You could toss him out of the search and O still wouldn't make my top 5 and maybe not even my top 10
Posted on 10/26/16 at 8:46 am to Draconian Sanctions
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This has nothing to do with Fleck. You could toss him out of the search and O still wouldn't make my top 5 and maybe not even my top 10
You could toss out Fleck, Herman, and Fisher and O still wouldn't make my top 5
Posted on 10/26/16 at 8:48 am to The Godfather
Who are your top 5 in that scenerio?
Posted on 10/26/16 at 8:53 am to Draconian Sanctions
No one is trying to deny his failures at OM. But you can't deny that he took a sanction-riddled USC team 6-2 and has done a great job at LSU so far.
If he wins out or goes 6-1 here, I'm fine with the hire. Herman isn't a lock--Kevin Sumlin also won big at Houston. Kliff Kingsberry was once a can't miss, young coordinator.
However, I think you make Jimbo tell you "no" before you do anything else. After that, I'd prefer Orgeron to Herman--I like the idea that he'd use the USC blueprint here and has a plan to build long term sustainability.
If he wins out or goes 6-1 here, I'm fine with the hire. Herman isn't a lock--Kevin Sumlin also won big at Houston. Kliff Kingsberry was once a can't miss, young coordinator.
However, I think you make Jimbo tell you "no" before you do anything else. After that, I'd prefer Orgeron to Herman--I like the idea that he'd use the USC blueprint here and has a plan to build long term sustainability.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 8:57 am to Draconian Sanctions
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And don't quote me interim numbers, that's a totally different animal.
You can't say that. It is all part of a total package. If you take snippets of any situation you can mold an opinion on each of those snippets. What you are basically saying is people can't learn from their mistakes and adjust for those mistakes so they don't make them again. What Orgeron's 2 Interim HC jobs are saying is that he learned from his mistakes and is not making the same mistakes again.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 9:02 am to Dudebro2
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You can't say that
Yes you can. If you don't see how the 2 are different then I don't know what to tell you
Posted on 10/26/16 at 9:03 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Draconian Sanction
Posted on 10/26/16 at 9:04 am to dbuchanon
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Who are your top 5 in that scenerio?
I hadnt really thought about it honestly i just really dont want O, but since you asked here are some in no particular order
Chip Kelly-if he is truly a possibility he is my number 1 no matter what, i doubt he is a possibility though
Bobby Petrino- If it is between paying the 10 million buyout or hiring coach O, pay the 10 million
Kyle Whittingham- He is a good solid coach, doubt you get him to leave the state of Utah, but people thought the same thing about Bronco Mendenhall when he was at BYU
Lane Kiffin- Dont love it
Jeff Brohm- Young Petrino without the bad taste and 10 million buyout. Has done a good job replacing Petrino at Western Kentucky
Posted on 10/26/16 at 9:05 am to Dudebro2
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And don't quote me interim numbers, that's a totally different animal.
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You can't say that. It is all part of a total package.
Yes, he can say that. Being an interim coach is not an indicator of how good a HC can be! Im not sure how you people cant understand this. What Coach O is doing, being the HC during the season, is about 50% of a HC's duties in building and maintaining a program. A full time HC has to hire asst coaches, create and maintain an academic culture, manage compliance and run a clean program, manage the offseason program and also manage and properly delegate every other facet of the program. He hasnt shown he can successfully do these things.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 9:09 am to logjamming
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But you can't deny that he took a sanction-riddled USC team 6-2 and has done a great job at LSU so far.
and has beaten exactly ONE ranked team in all of those games and got beat by 21 in the other one against UCLA..He has beaten a lot of bad teams with superior talent.
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