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re: Comparing 2 first year DC's
Posted on 11/28/16 at 8:22 am to Mikethegreat
Posted on 11/28/16 at 8:22 am to Mikethegreat
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you do realize that Wisconsin didn charge the defense aranda has been putting in there
yeh and? so we just hire a 3-4 guy here when he leaves?
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Posted on 11/28/16 at 8:24 am to Topwater Trout
I think the defense takes a hit without him, short of maybe a small list of coordinators that may or may not be available and that we may or may not have a chance to get. Our defense improved tremendously in one year with him and as the season went on, short of the last game.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 8:27 am to Topwater Trout
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Just wish our fans would quit freaking out over Aranda going to Texas...he isn't a DC god and can be replaced.
Well, this may be the dumbest shite I've read on this board in a while, and that is really impressive considering what's been going on.
Well done.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 8:27 am to GRTiger
I agree and don't want him to ever leave but I just don't think Texas is a threat. He seems smarter than to jump ship, one that he is getting plenty of recognition with, and go to coach at a place that is a dumpster fire
Posted on 11/28/16 at 8:35 am to Topwater Trout
Dave Aranda is the best DC in the country. This is his FIRST season installing a completely new scheme. Next year our defense will be nasty even with all the players we're losing.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 8:40 am to Topwater Trout
You're comparing the guy who took over the defense Aranda put built over a three year span with the first year of Aranda completely overhauling and installing a new system?
Is this real life?
Is this real life?
Posted on 11/28/16 at 8:53 am to DBU
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Is this real life?
should we compare talent next?
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Aranda completely overhauling and installing a new system?
this is false. Our db's haven't had much of a change...have they? you are DBU so tell me what changes have been made to the back end of our defense?
Posted on 11/28/16 at 8:53 am to Topwater Trout
Not so clear when looking at comparisons to last year.
Total defense
A 2016-#7 2015-#2 Dropped 5
B 2016-#12 2015-#25 Improved 13
Scoring defense
A 2016-#3 2015-#1 Dropped 2
B 2016-#7 2015-#41 Improved 34
Rush defense
A 2016-#3 2015-#4 Improved 1
B 2016-#17 2015-#17 No Change
Pass Eff defense
A 2016-#5 2015-#2 Dropped 3
B 2016-#18 2015-#51 Improved 33
Sacks
A 2016-#28 2015-#60 Improved 32
B 2016-#29 2015-#18 Dropped 11
TFL
A 2016-#75 2015-#78 Dropped 3
B 2016-#51 2015-#60 Dropped 9
TO gained
A 2016-#8 25 total 2016-#59 21 total Improved 51
B 2016-#88 16 total 2015-#91 17 total Dropped 3
Add in the fact that Coach A is coaching a team the Coach B coached last year and that the last three stats are based on cumulative number which include an extra game for Coach A and vs an absent cupcake game for coach B.
I think that indicates coach B may be the better coach, the fact is it takes at least 2 years to really evaluate the totality of a coach and probably more like 5 or 6 sicne recruiting comes into play.
Total defense
A 2016-#7 2015-#2 Dropped 5
B 2016-#12 2015-#25 Improved 13
Scoring defense
A 2016-#3 2015-#1 Dropped 2
B 2016-#7 2015-#41 Improved 34
Rush defense
A 2016-#3 2015-#4 Improved 1
B 2016-#17 2015-#17 No Change
Pass Eff defense
A 2016-#5 2015-#2 Dropped 3
B 2016-#18 2015-#51 Improved 33
Sacks
A 2016-#28 2015-#60 Improved 32
B 2016-#29 2015-#18 Dropped 11
TFL
A 2016-#75 2015-#78 Dropped 3
B 2016-#51 2015-#60 Dropped 9
TO gained
A 2016-#8 25 total 2016-#59 21 total Improved 51
B 2016-#88 16 total 2015-#91 17 total Dropped 3
Add in the fact that Coach A is coaching a team the Coach B coached last year and that the last three stats are based on cumulative number which include an extra game for Coach A and vs an absent cupcake game for coach B.
I think that indicates coach B may be the better coach, the fact is it takes at least 2 years to really evaluate the totality of a coach and probably more like 5 or 6 sicne recruiting comes into play.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 8:55 am to mdomingue
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I think that indicates coach B may be the better coach,
I have never once said Aranda wasn't the better coach. Only that if he leaves it doesn't mean we all of a sudden suck defensively...just look at Wisconsin
Posted on 11/28/16 at 9:09 am to Topwater Trout
This OP author needs to be shot as both defenses are a result of the same coach. 
Posted on 11/28/16 at 9:23 am to L S Usetheforce
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This OP author needs to be shot as both defenses are a result of the same coach
Damn I knew Aranda was good but he has 2 top 10 defenses this year...that is impressive
Posted on 11/28/16 at 9:24 am to Topwater Trout
well I know you have made the argument that Les won with Saban's players, so...
Posted on 11/28/16 at 9:28 am to Salmon
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well I know you have made the argument that Les won with Saban's players, so...
are you saying he didn't?
Posted on 11/28/16 at 9:33 am to Topwater Trout
I'm sure the binder has the Wisconsin DC listed on it's three deep of staff projections. Not Justin Wilcox, just Wisconsin defensive coordinator.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 10:19 am to Topwater Trout
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I have never once said Aranda wasn't the better coach.
I nether said nor intended to imply that you did, I was just answering your question by suggesting more data indicates it is Coach B. Is coach B Aranda?
Sorry, couldn't resist. quote:
Only that if he leaves it doesn't mean we all of a sudden suck defensively...just look at Wisconsin
Only really an issue of the new DC implements a system that is substantially different and requires somewhat different types of players. I would expect those types of DC's to be eliminated as candidates fairly early when looking.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 10:44 am to mdomingue
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Only really an issue of the new DC implements a system that is substantially different and requires somewhat different types of players
I think LSU would be very attractive to any great DC's. Not only with $ but talent.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 10:49 am to Topwater Trout
Maybe Aranda is so good that his old team is still good a year after he left.
That happens all the time.
That happens all the time.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 10:50 am to Topwater Trout
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Damn I knew Aranda was good but he has 2 top 10 defenses this year...that is impressive
It is very impressive.......You see the system in place and run at Wisconsin is his.....with his players that he recruited with his defensive staff.
The only thing that changed is he left and they carried it on.
On the other hand LSU's numbers are a result of new implementation.
So yes Dave Aranda further proves his value by showing he can teach others to carry out his vision and also create new ones with different personnel.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 10:51 am to L S Usetheforce
The difference in talent between LSU and Wisconsin is pretty large so the new DC must still be coaching his arse off.
Posted on 11/28/16 at 10:52 am to TheCaterpillar
aranda's Ds build upon themselves each year, yes we have a ton of talent but it was also a major transition considering most of our recruiting over close to a decade has been centered around a different philosophy....what aranda did this year was pretty damn amazing.
The comparison is insanely stupid, but most O supporters provide extremely shallow arguments.
The comparison is insanely stupid, but most O supporters provide extremely shallow arguments.
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