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re: clamdip's Hot Board
Posted on 11/10/25 at 1:19 pm to BayouCowboy
Posted on 11/10/25 at 1:19 pm to BayouCowboy
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Keep Baker, Corey and Peoples. I like Kyle Williams, but the DTs have been average. Hire Mathieu to coach safeties or at least get him on staff in some capacity.
So hire Morris and tell him who his defensive coaches will be?
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Posted on 11/10/25 at 1:36 pm to clamdip
The funniest thing about LSU hiring Kelly was Scott Woodward thought they were getting Brian Kelly, Tommy Rees, Marcus Freeman and Matt Balis .
Instead ND had seen enough from Freeman that they promoted him to HC and basically gave Rees & Balis blank checks to stay as OC & Strength Coach.
If you really want know what went wrong with Kelly @LSU NOT getting the ND assistants that he knew and trusted to follow him fundamentally undermined him in Baton Rouge. He unexpectedly had to rebuild his entire staff at a place that he knew little about. Hiring Denbrock saved the offense but BK essentially made blind hires at culture (strength coach) and on defense.
He never was able to recover from those initial missteps. Then ND came for Denbrock 2yrs later and you knew the offense was about to flounder because it was his offense and Kelly trusted him implicitly. Sloan neither had the chops nor the professional standing with BK to tell him to stay out of his kitchen. Once things went bad Kelly meddled with Sloan which made things worse. He never would have meddled with Denbrock.
Instead ND had seen enough from Freeman that they promoted him to HC and basically gave Rees & Balis blank checks to stay as OC & Strength Coach.
If you really want know what went wrong with Kelly @LSU NOT getting the ND assistants that he knew and trusted to follow him fundamentally undermined him in Baton Rouge. He unexpectedly had to rebuild his entire staff at a place that he knew little about. Hiring Denbrock saved the offense but BK essentially made blind hires at culture (strength coach) and on defense.
He never was able to recover from those initial missteps. Then ND came for Denbrock 2yrs later and you knew the offense was about to flounder because it was his offense and Kelly trusted him implicitly. Sloan neither had the chops nor the professional standing with BK to tell him to stay out of his kitchen. Once things went bad Kelly meddled with Sloan which made things worse. He never would have meddled with Denbrock.
This post was edited on 11/10/25 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 11/10/25 at 1:42 pm to clamdip
I think Drinkwitz would do well here. Has built a solid program at Missouri. Wouldnt be the loudest splash but with our resources I think he can win alot of football games.
Would be alot better than hiring a coordinator or a a lower level head coach.
Would be alot better than hiring a coordinator or a a lower level head coach.
Posted on 11/10/25 at 1:46 pm to Lurker1
Yep. There are 3 things a HC has to be good at:
1. Recruiting (affected by NIL and transfer portal, but all part of the same effort) - finding and getting talent; coffee is for closers
2. Hiring an excellent staff, and keeping continuity when replacing staff.
3. Leading men - building culture, accountability, giving your team an identity, having processes that ensure success
Now, I can't argue that Clark Lea for sure can't do these 3 things consistently, but one could argue he's riding the Kill/Pavia wave. Especially if one still remembers the Hallman/Favre wave.
1. Recruiting (affected by NIL and transfer portal, but all part of the same effort) - finding and getting talent; coffee is for closers
2. Hiring an excellent staff, and keeping continuity when replacing staff.
3. Leading men - building culture, accountability, giving your team an identity, having processes that ensure success
Now, I can't argue that Clark Lea for sure can't do these 3 things consistently, but one could argue he's riding the Kill/Pavia wave. Especially if one still remembers the Hallman/Favre wave.
Posted on 11/10/25 at 1:46 pm to tigerbru17
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Half of the battle these days is about generating buzz. Freeman brings the buzz.
You generate “buzz” by winning.
The best hires recently generated zero initial buzz-elko, lanning, freeman etc.
The hires that “won the press conference”-Kelly, Riley have struggled/been fired.
Posted on 11/10/25 at 1:55 pm to clamdip
Ryan Grubb wanted the UW job after DeBoer left for Alabama. The UW AD passed on him. Seems like that would be a red flag being that they knew him very well and it was a natural fit to keep the continuity.
Posted on 11/10/25 at 1:59 pm to clamdip
best bets sans fisch are good.
Posted on 11/10/25 at 2:01 pm to 1999
I think this is Fisch's last year at UW. I think he wants out. Not sure where, but my guess would be UCLA.
Posted on 11/10/25 at 2:03 pm to TDawg1313
yeah i don't think he's a fit down south, even more at LSU. no dig on him, i just think it'd be a disaster.
Posted on 11/10/25 at 2:17 pm to clamdip
On Lea riding the wave. I won't disagree but I would say that for a first time HC it is of paramount importance that they hire experienced coordinators. Old fired HC are perfect for that role.
As a first time HC your head is spinning from all of the new areas of responsibility that now fall under you. Ask every 1st time HC what they felt and all would say overwhelmed.
Hiring a guy like Kill is exactly what Lea needed to do. Kill can handle the offense and offer advise from the view of a former HC.
When Ryan Day was promoted to HC at OSU his coordinators were Greg Schiano (ex-Rutgers HC) and Kevin Wilson (ex-Indiana HC). Having those guys on staff allowed Day to grow into the role of a HC.
So yeah on Lea hiring Kill but that is not unusual and it's mostly a smart play for a 1st time head coach.
As a first time HC your head is spinning from all of the new areas of responsibility that now fall under you. Ask every 1st time HC what they felt and all would say overwhelmed.
Hiring a guy like Kill is exactly what Lea needed to do. Kill can handle the offense and offer advise from the view of a former HC.
When Ryan Day was promoted to HC at OSU his coordinators were Greg Schiano (ex-Rutgers HC) and Kevin Wilson (ex-Indiana HC). Having those guys on staff allowed Day to grow into the role of a HC.
So yeah on Lea hiring Kill but that is not unusual and it's mostly a smart play for a 1st time head coach.
Posted on 11/10/25 at 3:46 pm to 1999
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yeah i don't think he's [Fisch] a fit down south, even more at LSU. no dig on him, i just think it'd be a disaster.
Maybe not, but he turned around Arizona fast and impressively. He's an offensive coach and has experience as an OC in the NFL (including under Sean McVay as Asst OC) and in big-time college programs. He is a Spurrier student and started as a GA under him at Florida.
Maybe he loves California, and goes to UCLA, but I'm not familiar with anything about him that says he's married to the West Coast.
Posted on 11/10/25 at 3:46 pm to Lurker1
Fisch coached at Fla .with Spurrier he knows the south.He would be a good hire ,but LSU fans don’t know a good coach when they see one.Fact.
Posted on 11/10/25 at 3:51 pm to Lurker1
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So yeah on Lea hiring Kill but that is not unusual and it's mostly a smart play for a 1st time head coach.
Fair enough. Certainly, coaching alongside Kill can only make him a better HC. But, I'm not sure I want LSU to be the place to test and see if he can sustain success when Kill retires. Kill has had serious health issues so I'm not sure how long he wants to keep working.
Posted on 11/10/25 at 4:08 pm to RGT
Florida is his alma mater. He was roommates with Howie Roseman there and got started under Spurrier. I think Florida is his dream college job (I'd be surprised if Florida wanted him though). I think his dream job is literally anywhere in the NFL.
This post was edited on 11/10/25 at 4:09 pm
Posted on 11/10/25 at 4:15 pm to clamdip
Brent Key is like Clark Lea. What happened before Haynes King and Pavia? Not very impressive records without those QBs
Posted on 11/10/25 at 4:21 pm to Sofaking2
Haynes King ain't Pavia special. He was nothing special at A+M and was very pedestrian his first year at GaTech. He's developed and Key's staff should get some credit for that.
Posted on 11/10/25 at 5:17 pm to clamdip
quote:Uhhhhh...
Color Me Not Impressed:
Urbs
Posted on 11/10/25 at 5:49 pm to gatordmb89
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As an opposing fan, I wouldn’t want to see Dillingham, Freeman, Grubb, or Shanahan at LSU.
What’s your reasoning for that?
Posted on 11/10/25 at 5:52 pm to clamdip
I would argue that most coordinators would be a reach. At the most, they shouldn’t move the needle until tested if one was hired
Posted on 11/10/25 at 5:53 pm to Lurker1
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The funniest thing about LSU hiring Kelly was Scott Woodward thought they were getting Brian Kelly, Tommy Rees, Marcus Freeman and Matt Balis . Instead ND had seen enough from Freeman that they promoted him to HC and basically gave Rees & Balis blank checks to stay as OC & Strength Coach. If you really want know what went wrong with Kelly @LSU NOT getting the ND assistants that he knew and trusted to follow him fundamentally undermined him in Baton Rouge. He unexpectedly had to rebuild his entire staff at a place that he knew little about. Hiring Denbrock saved the offense but BK essentially made blind hires at culture (strength coach) and on defense. He never was able to recover from those initial missteps. Then ND came for Denbrock 2yrs later and you knew the offense was about to flounder because it was his offense and Kelly trusted him implicitly. Sloan neither had the chops nor the professional standing with BK to tell him to stay out of his kitchen. Once things went bad Kelly meddled with Sloan which made things worse. He never would have meddled with Denbrock
Lots of words to say nothing. Of course you assume your head coach can assemble a staff. If you value the coordinators that much then maybe you should just offer them the head coach job. Kelly was an outstanding hire on paper and ND cried about losing him for 2 years. Let’s not rewrite history just bc it didn’t work out.
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