re: Carr Retires as Michigan's Coach...

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I hope they don't "lure" with money, but hire the right fit

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Of course, but with all the threads of Gruden, Cowher, etc. Can't you eliminate some these names on $$ alone? Mabey even Rodriquez if LSU doesn't go high enough. Kelly, Pinkel, Tedford, etc. are in play. But there is a limit, just wandering if LSU would pay Bama money.

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But there is a limit, just wandering if LSU would pay Bama money.

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Tubby says he wants it to stay at Auburn or to go to A&M, so the bar has been raised. Stoops will want it next. As far as what LSU will pay, it will depend on who comes forward and shows interest in the job.

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Of course, but with all the threads of Gruden, Cowher, etc. Can't you eliminate some these names on $$ alone?

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No, because a job is about more than money (for some people). If Miles wins the NC, that automatically puts him in the 3.3 million (or so) club, by contract incentive that if he wins the BCS-CG, he is guaranteed to be in the top three in compensation (which currently are WVMD-$4m, Stoops-$3.5m, Weis-$3.3m. It almost certainly will be a pay cut for him to take the Michigan job. Carr makes about the same that Miles does now, or about $1.5m. Even assuming they sweeten the pot a little bit, I don't see conservative Michigan to go higher than $2m or $2.25m, at least to start.

That doesn't really matter in the long run. If Miles goes (which I think he will), the money associated with the position will be a secondary concern. He will be going for non-pecuniary reasons.

Why would LSU, who hired Miles for about a third of what Saban was earning and landed a coach that delivers (possibly) a conference and national title within 3 years and (definitely) an 80%-plus winning percentage, overspend for a coach?

There are plenty of up and coming coaches at BCS schools (like Les was at Okie St) who'd take $1 mil or so to get to the "big leagues" at a school like LSU.

I think the fans in Michigan would love to have Les. But obviously, there are stronger, more self interested, forces in play. Good for us, bad for UM fans. Again, they're making a stupid play. Remember these are the guys who lost to a 1-AA team. lol.

The real problem is that Miles is just playing the hand out now.

IF LSU goes 2/0, then Miles and UM will have to do an "on the runway" secret interview about 12 days from now. There, they will either agree or not on a secret pact until after the BCS game. Some interim coach/recruiter is brought in for UM and Les coaches thru the BCSNC. If he loses 1/2, then they interview in the open after the seccg and he's gone if they offer. Won't stay to coach in just the Sugar bowl or SEC runner up. I think UM interviews everyone but miles for 1.5 weeks, then comes after LES.

Interesting read...

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Hey guys, a Tiger fan over on mgoblog said there was some pretty good conversation here, so I thought I'd clear up a few misconceptions about Lloyd leaving.

First, the money does not matter. Belien's buyout was $2.5M. He also got a whole new video system and an upcoming practice facility, as well as upgrades to the baskeball arena. Michigan is about to start a $100M+ upgrade to Michigan Stadium. Our athletic director has taken the kid gloves off. He has to fill both arenas and have clean, winning programs. If they want Les, $4M is nothing.

Second, Lloyd is not going to become the AD. His contract simply stipulates he receives his coaching salary if he is employed by Michigan in any capacity. He will likely be a "consultant" to the program and get paid until his contract runs out. Whether he likes Les is irrelevant, this is Martin's decision, not his. As to his assistants contracts, it just stipulates they get paid next year regardless. Again $1M, not a big deal. It's also likely that Ron English would stay as DC in some scenarios.

Third, timing. Lloyd could not continue to recruit if he's not going to be here next year. He is too sincere to ask a recruit to come to UM and play for another coach. It has nothing to do with trying to screw Les. Also, Michigan WILL wait until January to get Les Miles if that's what Bill Martin wants. Look at the Belien hire, he's following that blueprint. Announcing a list, respecting all programs, but he WILL get his man. Kelly, Tedford, Miles, whoever, Bill Martin will get him. You will see a complete lockdown of "Fort Schembechler" as it is known. Michigan will be completely silent until the new HC is announced. There is too much at stake with the upcoming renovations and pressure to avoid a Notre Dame or Nebraska type hire.

Last, as a Michigan alum, I take offense to the comments that Michigan is a step down job. I've never considered LSU to be an elite football school until the Saban era. However, while LSU doesn't have the history UM does, I can tell from watching LSU games and seeing the passion that LSU is going to be an elite program from now on. If anything, it's a lateral move. UM won the NC in '97, and was a win away from the BCSNCG last year. They have just as much talent as LSU in a given year, and the path is slightly easier. Don't forget, in the 90s, the SEC was UF, UT, and Bama. The Big Ten is down now, but football is cyclical, remember that. If Les Miles can win at LSU, he can win at Michigan.

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The real problem is that Miles is just playing the hand out now

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exactly ... and that is why LSU needs to suck it up and approach Les ... let him make his secret deal with Michigan if they want to, but do it as quickly as possible and keep LSU in the loop ... that way we can be laying the groundwork for getting a new coach as quickly as possible, so recruiting will not get out of control ... hell ... even agree to let Les coach in the BCS championship game if that's what it comes down to ... the sooner we know that he's going, the better off we will be

either way ... the press and recruiters will be talking about nothing else ... so ... we might as well embrace it and move as quickly as possible, even if it's under the table