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re: Can we stop pretending recruiting is hard?
Posted on 11/16/21 at 11:56 am to BilJ
Posted on 11/16/21 at 11:56 am to BilJ
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show us the blue chippers the greatest recruiters ever were pulling at Utah and Mich St
?????
My argument is not and was not ever that good recruiters could sign top 5 classes at midlevel schools. My argument was that it takes a good recruiter to sign top 5 level classes.
The fact that saban pulled better classes in the SEC than he did at MSU does literally nothing whatsoever to disprove the fact that recruiting is a skill and cannot be done at a high level by any Joe schmo who happens find themselves at a big program.
You can’t defend your repeated statements that recruiting isn’t a skill and that anyone can sign top 5 classes and that recruiting shouldn’t matter in the hiring process so now you’re making irrelevant points like “good recruiters achieve better results at big programs than they do at small programs” lmfao. Nobody has disputed that at any point.
This post was edited on 11/16/21 at 12:19 pm
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Posted on 11/16/21 at 11:57 am to BilJ
Recruiting is very hard. And NIL, just tripled its difficulty. Because if NIL isn't affecting your recruiting, then you aren't after the lads that bring victories.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 12:02 pm to BilJ
the head coach is not the most critical component of recruiting, most fans don’t understand that.
Recruiting is a organizational network system with assigned coaches, recruiters, bagmen etc. Bama has had what 20 something number 1 classes on a row predating Saban, even Mike shula had great classes. But when a key recruiting coordinator aka baseman coordinator leaves with Kirby to Bama suddenly Georgia has top class after top class. It’s competition in every way possible with a lot of difficult people
Recruiting is a organizational network system with assigned coaches, recruiters, bagmen etc. Bama has had what 20 something number 1 classes on a row predating Saban, even Mike shula had great classes. But when a key recruiting coordinator aka baseman coordinator leaves with Kirby to Bama suddenly Georgia has top class after top class. It’s competition in every way possible with a lot of difficult people
Posted on 11/16/21 at 12:10 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Also, what I'll say about recruiting is that there are far more capable recruiters than jobs for them in CFB. Finding a good recruiter is not difficult. But this guy has to also be able to coach. It seems to be a balancing act to me.
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Well that's why you typically see certain positional groups act more as recruiters. RBs coaches should never be primarily relied upon for their schematics. RBs coaches are recruiters first, coach second.
agreed
Posted on 11/16/21 at 12:34 pm to BilJ
You got DV’d but I generally I agree that any college coach in the running for a job at LSU is going to take recruiting seriously enough to do it well here.
Roster management skill > personality I think is what you are trying to articulate, and I agree with that — especially in the transfer portal era.
A well-coached LSU recruits itself enough. You just need a coach who isn’t god awful at it — doesn’t need to be (and arguably shouldn’t) be our HC’s top selling point.
Roster management skill > personality I think is what you are trying to articulate, and I agree with that — especially in the transfer portal era.
A well-coached LSU recruits itself enough. You just need a coach who isn’t god awful at it — doesn’t need to be (and arguably shouldn’t) be our HC’s top selling point.
This post was edited on 11/16/21 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 11/16/21 at 12:36 pm to BilJ
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name me one of the schools consistently in the top 5 that relies on national recruiting
What?? OMG are you really this naive?? Have you even looked at recruiting?? You should really give up on this fight, you are really looking foolish.
And to answer your question... Bama, Cincinatti, Ohio State, and Oregon all rely on national talent. I would argue Georgia too but not to the same degree as the others.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 1:12 pm to PennyPacker
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Bama, Cincinatti, Ohio State, and Oregon all rely on national talent.
I'm looking foolish and you named Cincy and oregon as teams that are top 5 in recruiting yearly?
The other two don't rely on national recruiting. They have a base to build their classes around and can go nationally but its not a must.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 1:24 pm to BilJ
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I'm looking foolish and you named Cincy and oregon as teams that are top 5 in recruiting yearly
Thought you meant currently ranked in top 5.. as in standings not recruiting. But either way...Georgia, Bama, Notre Dame, aTm, and Penn State all have multiple players not from home state or neighboring state but you keeping believing what you want... but facts prove you wrong.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 1:39 pm to PennyPacker
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.Georgia, Bama, Notre Dame, aTm, and Penn State all have multiple players not from home state
i know nuance is dead but good grief do you not understand the difference between regional and national and that region isn't limited to state boarders? In some cases out of state kids can actually be closer to the school than parts of the same state (Auburn for example is closer to Atlanta than it is to Mobile). The important part is having a strong base, that's why LSU is a better job than Nebraska.
This post was edited on 11/16/21 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 11/16/21 at 1:46 pm to H-Town Tiger
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do you not understand the difference between regional and national and that region isn't limited to state boarders? In some cases out of state kids can actually be closer to the school than parts of the same state (Auburn for example is closer to Atlanta than it is to Mobile).
No shite
Good God
Posted on 11/16/21 at 1:49 pm to BilJ
The same people who act like you need a local recruiting connection to be head coach are probably the same ones who say shite like "I'd rather have a team full of Hesters than a bunch of five star pre-Madonnas!"
Posted on 11/16/21 at 1:54 pm to H-Town Tiger
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do you not understand the difference between regional and national
yep, understand both
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LSU is a better job than Nebraska.
yep, understand this as well.
The original point was "recruiting wasn't hard".. and it's just a grind. then it moved to you don't have to rely on national recruits.. wrong. You don't have to build your entire team on national recruits but the top teams do rely on it. OU has their starting qb from where? Bama's starting QB is from where? I can go on and on with impact players who are national recruits.. But bottom line your top teams recruit nationally. And recruiting is not easy.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 1:54 pm to BilJ
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It’s not this learned skill you either have or don’t have. The most important factors in being a “good recruiter” are willingness to grind, school you’re recruiting for, and geographic location.
if it was so easy, every California and Florida school would recruit lights out. Posted on 11/16/21 at 2:03 pm to The Pirate King
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if it was so easy, every California and Florida school would recruit lights out.
lol these dudes are really sitting here with straight faces arguing that anybody can pull top 5 classes so long as they're at the right place. No skill involved.
Also, they were asking for teams that rely on national recruiting - how about Ohio state and Alabama lol. Boy, that was super difficult to find top 5 schools who recruit nationwide.
This post was edited on 11/16/21 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 11/16/21 at 2:05 pm to PennyPacker
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The original point was "recruiting wasn't hard".
its not necessarily. It is harder to find elite X's and O's coaches than elite recruiters and elite X's and O's coaches can become great recruiters given the resources and talent base. its not that literally any schmoo from this board could recruit at LSU but its not hard to find assistants that can.
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then it moved to you don't have to rely on national recruits.. wrong. You don't have to build your entire team on national recruits but the top teams do rely on it
Again i disagree, first of all i don't consider having 1 or 2 guys from distant states recruiting nationally but all the example you give are teams that have long established records which is different. It comes after winning not do to the coach being a great recruiter per se. OU for example, Mayfield, Murray and Hurts were all transfers but also all from Texas hence in OU's region. After 2 Heismans and a 3rd finalist and 2 #1 overall picks yes you can recruit QB's nationally.
Bama go look at the 2009 and 2011 teams. Built with guys from Alabama and states that boarder or are within a few hundred miles of the campus. Only later did they branch out
This post was edited on 11/16/21 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 11/16/21 at 2:12 pm to LifeAquatic
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lol these dudes are really sitting here with straight faces arguing that anybody can pull top 5 classes so long as they're at the right place. No skill involved.
its been explained to you but tour are to stupid or too to understand the rest of the point and keep going back to one semantic argument
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they were asking for teams that rely on national recruiting - how about Ohio state and Alabama lol.
doing and and relying on it are different things, its also been explained to you that Bama only went national after they became a dynasty. Saban was not recruiting nationally when he got there. Ohio State also is primarily built with kids from Ohio/Michigan and the mid west. Dipping into Texas/Fla or other sun belt states is because they have a national brand, its been done by multiple coaches there so either they just mysteriously never miss on hiring great recruiters or maybe the schools brand has something to do with it.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 2:15 pm to LifeAquatic
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lol these dudes are really sitting here with straight faces arguing that anybody can pull top 5 classes so long a
Is it an act or is nuance that lost on you? You’re continually proven wrong yet you keep running back to the straw man and posting lol gifs like you’ve proven anything
Im going to ask your stupid fricking arse one more time..show the blue chip classes Saban and Urban had at MSU and Utah
Your lone ally here is a faggy little pirate kid that repeatedly finds himself on the wrong side of history
This post was edited on 11/16/21 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 11/16/21 at 2:32 pm to LifeAquatic
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that was super difficult to find top 5 schools who recruit nationwide.
again you're framing an argument to try and make yourself appear less stupid and its not working. No one said those schools do not recruit nationally.
Neither rely on it. So we're clear because again I have to speak to you like a retarded 5 year old, national recruiting is pulling kids that are well out of your regional footprint
This post was edited on 11/16/21 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 11/16/21 at 3:35 pm to H-Town Tiger
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keep going back to one semantic argument
lmfao.
You cant REPEATEDLY SAY that "recruiting isn't a skill" and that "anyone can do it" at an elite level and then, when someone says "that's not true" claim that they're arguing semantics. You are so fricking beyond coherence at this point it's insane.
If you really want to get away from "semantics", how about you answer these questions:
1. Do you think recruiting is a skill?
2. Do you think that any coach can recruit at an elite level as long as they're at a big school?
(you won't answer, because it seems to have dawned on you that these are indefensible arguments)
This post was edited on 11/16/21 at 3:41 pm
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