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re: Can we stop pretending recruiting is hard?
Posted on 11/16/21 at 11:06 am to LifeAquatic
Posted on 11/16/21 at 11:06 am to LifeAquatic
You're just literally too stupid to understand the point. People keep trying to break it down slowly for you and you keep failing to understand
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Posted on 11/16/21 at 11:08 am to H-Town Tiger
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Since you don't seem to grasp it I'll tell you there are only so many good players to go around.
lmfao you are agreeing with me then. The other guy is saying that anyone can sign a top 5 class and that it's easy. The fact that there are only so many players to go around pretty conclusively proves that wrong.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 11:08 am to CP3forMVP
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Yeah this is completely false. Not just anyone could do it.
This is true. I talked to someone on Miles staff and he said that the narrative that Miles was a great recruiter was laughable. The person said Raymond and Frank Wilson were the guys pulling in the recruits and Miles showed up for the ribbon cutting.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 11:09 am to TigerDawg1212
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Recruiting is absolutely hard. You need to research the kids, evaluate whether they're good or bad, learn about who they are as a person from their coaches, and then use that to make a good impression on the kids in an incredibly short amount of time. There's a reason why a common quip about Kirby Smart is "he knows the name of the neighbor's dog before he shows up." That's just for kids you're actually going after. You also need to be in constant contact with a huge number of high schools so that their coach will say you're good people when the future 5 star 4 years from now inevitably goes to their coach asking for advice. There's not enough time and resources to do everything that would help, so knowing what's important and not important is critical. As is being a better salesman than the other 20 guys also hard recruiting the kid you want doing the exact same thing you are.
I may have been heavy handed in saying how "easy" it is. Its a grind
but the point being its not something you should over emphasize in a head coach at a blue blood school like LSU. The coach will have all of the money and resources at his disposal in a talent rich area to pull elite kids.
This post was edited on 11/16/21 at 11:10 am
Posted on 11/16/21 at 11:10 am to LifeAquatic
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yeah there are tons of guys who regularly recruit at a national championship level. Super easy to find. Just a coincidence that kirby and jimbo turned UGA and A&M into recruiting juggernauts.
you got it bass ackward man, Jimbo and Kirby do not recruit top 5 classes if they were at Kentucky and Arkansas. You have to have the resources.
Because you are too locked into taking everything too literally, you are missing the the broader point there is no reason to worry about the coaches we are considering that they can't recruit.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 11:10 am to BilJ
It can be hard if you hate it. There's things I do at work that aren't difficult but I dislike them so much it's hard to put the required effort into it.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 11:10 am to LifeAquatic
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The other guy is saying that anyone can sign a top 5 class and that it's easy.
you're trying to frame the argument in a way that makes you seem less stupid and its not working
Posted on 11/16/21 at 11:11 am to BilJ
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anybody can do it?
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at the right school, pretty much
Then why did LSU's recruiting improve when O took over for les?
Why did alabama's recruiting improve when saban took over?
Why did UGA's recruiting get way better under Kirby?
Why did A&M jump into the top 5 in recruiting after Jimbo took over?
If anyone can do it and all that matters is the school, then you must think that those other guys simply weren't trying.
If you think any old guy can go out and sign a top 5 class as long as he tries hard and is at the right school, you are an absolute fricking moron.
This post was edited on 11/16/21 at 11:11 am
Posted on 11/16/21 at 11:11 am to LifeAquatic
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lmfao you are agreeing with me then.
not in the least, you are at best quibbling over semantics but clearly missing the broader point.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 11:12 am to H-Town Tiger
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you think Saban/Dabo/Kirby get the same recruiting results at Wyoming? Or even a place like Illinois?
Why is it that Saban's recruiting class ranking improved dramatically at LSU and Bama vs when he was at Michigan State? Was it something in the water that magically transformed him to a elite recruiter to get the #1 class in 2001 or was it maybe that 2001 was a loaded year in Louisiana?
yep
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ou got it bass ackward man, Jimbo and Kirby do not recruit top 5 classes if they were at Kentucky and Arkansas. You have to have the resources.
Because you are too locked into taking everything too literally, you are missing the the broader point there is no reason to worry about the coaches we are considering that they can't recruit.
yep
This post was edited on 11/16/21 at 11:13 am
Posted on 11/16/21 at 11:13 am to BilJ
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you're trying to frame the argument in a way that makes you seem less stupid and its not working
No. The argument is whether "anyone" can consistently sign top 5 classes. You say the answer is yes. I say it's no.
You say that recruiting "isn't a skill" and that "anyone can do it" so long as they are at the right location. I say that's idiotic and that if anyone could do it, anyone WOULD do it.
Recruiting is a skill and it takes more than effort. You are a moron.
This post was edited on 11/16/21 at 11:14 am
Posted on 11/16/21 at 11:14 am to BilJ
Successful college recruiting is a combination of sustained winning and how much you can pay the recruits under the table.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 11:14 am to BilJ
Idk if recruiting is easy, but I do think people overrate the hell out it in comparison to a coaches ability to develop and scheme up the talent while it’s on campus
Posted on 11/16/21 at 11:14 am to LifeAquatic
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Why did alabama's recruiting improve when saban took over?
Why did UGA's recruiting get way better under Kirby?
Why did A&M jump into the top 5 in recruiting after Jimbo took over?
all 3 of these are directly rated to Saban and showing what happens when you bust out the recruiting budget and outspend your competitors
Saban knew that's really the key to it all.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 11:15 am to LifeAquatic
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you are an absolute fricking moron.
its always amusing when morons say this.
Richt had top recruiting classes at UGA and Sumlin had them at A&M Kirby and Jimbo may be better recruiters but they are also better coaches that win more.
You are mocking him for saying anyone can do it but you are implying the top recruiters could do it anywhere which is clearly false
Posted on 11/16/21 at 11:16 am to H-Town Tiger
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Jimbo and Kirby do not recruit top 5 classes if they were at Kentucky and Arkansas
nobody said they would. The point is that they are GOOD RECRUITERS and that it takes more than a pulse and some cash to turn a school into a recruiting juggernaut.
Georgia and A&M had just as much cash and cache before Kirby and jimbo as they do after kirby and jimbo. So what changed? The answer is that they got coaches who are great recruiters. If recruiting wasn't a skill then UGA and A&M would still be bringing in the same classes as they weere under sumlin and richt. But they're not. They're bringing in much better classes.
This guy thinks that anybody can sign back to back number 1 classes if only they happened to be the coach at UGA. That's idiotic to the maximum degree. If that were the case, then why didn't prior UGA coaches sign top 3 classes time after time?
This post was edited on 11/16/21 at 11:19 am
Posted on 11/16/21 at 11:18 am to H-Town Tiger
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you are implying the top recruiters could do it anywhere which is clearly false
no, i've never once said this.
I say recruiting is a skill. that guy says it isn't.
I say it takes a good recruiter to bring in top 5 classes. That guy says anyone can do it.
Please answer these questions:
Is recruiting a skill?
Can "anybody" bring in top 5 classes so long as they are at the right school?
Posted on 11/16/21 at 11:19 am to LifeAquatic
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Then why did LSU's recruiting improve when O took over for les?
well they did not. O had the worst class of the century in 2018. Les had the #1 class in 2009 and typically top 5-10.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 11:19 am to BilJ
Gotta be nice with the money men. It's all about money changing hands and how you do it.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 11:21 am to BilJ
I think the salesman aspect is likely really important if you are trying to polish a terd, sell a vision, and turn a program around. But if a program has a solid branding in place and already has access to an elite talent pool + resources (funds and staff) available, you can probably work around the salesman piece if you have the program rolling, provided that you don't blow it off and not put enough effort and attention into it. Think LSU is probably on decent footing for this ever since Saban. I don't think Les is necessarily some great salesman, and he had very good albeit not untouchable recruiting classes.
This post was edited on 11/16/21 at 11:24 am
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