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re: Billy Napier talking…..

Posted on 10/21/21 at 10:37 am to
Posted by BayouCowboy
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Posted on 10/21/21 at 10:37 am to
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This is my biggest problem with Napier. Chasing the idea that he’s the “next Saban”.


If everything was the same at UL but he spent those years as a WR coach at Clemson instead of Alabama I doubt Napier is even on the list.


I did the same with Herman/Meyer in 2016 and I admit it was a stupid way to think about a coaching candidate honestly.


This is what people mean by the Saban comparisons:

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Maggard proudly details how Louisiana’s non-football coaching staff has grown by about 75%: two strength coaches, a handful of strength interns, three nutrionists and more than a dozen others who juggle duties in multiple departments, from recruiting to quality control. The athletic department’s snack budget went from zero to $1.5 million. The football program’s assistant coach salary pool increased by 40% to $2 million, and the school began to pay the full cost of attendance for athletes, something the NCAA permitted for the first time in 2015.

Napier says about 85% of what he is implementing in Lafayette is in the image of Saban’s program, but he has put his own twist on some items. He breaks up the calendar into eight phases: Foundation (the first two weeks of January), Identity (pre-spring training), Spring Practice, Discretionary (exams and exit meetings), Regimen (summer training), Fall Camp, In-Season and Postseason.

This winter’s workouts mimicked the Fourth Quarter Program that Saban crafted in his days at LSU with longtime Tigers strength coach Tommy Moffitt. Groups of a dozen players moved through four stations in a test of their conditioning, strength and endurance. Head strength coach Mark Hocke spent six seasons on Saban’s staff, moving from an intern who slept on other coaches’ couches to an associate strength staff member who parlayed his success to jobs with Georgia, Texas A&M and Florida State. “We’re cut from the same cloth,” Hocke says, “from that organization in Tuscaloosa.”

“I can see it already making an impact here,” Napier says. “The key is having a plan to use all these people. All these things are at the root of creating a comprehensive advantage. This is a ruthless, cutthroat thing, college football. It’s fun.”


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Napier is his own quarterbacks coach, and he’ll call the plays at Louisiana, “because it’s as close as I can get to playing again,” he says with a smile. When he took over Arizona State’s offense last season, Napier created an abridged version of Alabama’s elaborate system, a one-back spread offense with pro alignments that can operate at varying speeds. The offense’s run game is mostly derived from longtime Alabama assistant Joe Pendry, and its play-action passing game comes from Lane Kiffin’s offense. The scheme includes some Air Raid from his stint in 2017 under former Sun Devils head coach Todd Graham, and he borrowed Jim McElwain’s tactics for instructing and teaching passers, something on display during this quarterback meeting.


SI.com

You should read the whole article. It gives some great insight into what to expect IF Napier were to come to LSU.
Posted by BayouBoogie
San Francisco, CA
Member since Nov 2017
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Posted on 10/21/21 at 10:41 am to
LSU is easy to sell for guys that are serious about coaching. The last three coaches LSU has had have won championships. The culture down here can turn people away which is why I believe Fickell is out.

USC/SoCal is a very fickle environment; if you don’t put a championship caliber program on the field nobody cares. There’s so many other things to do in SoCal. They allowed Helton to build a losing culture and now they’re being out recruited by Oregon.
Posted by ELVIS U
Member since Feb 2007
11683 posts
Posted on 10/21/21 at 10:42 am to
Saban is a genius. Napier is of average intelligence, at best. Still, I do think he is a very good coach, but not the next LSU head coach.
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
36730 posts
Posted on 10/21/21 at 10:44 am to
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Billy Napier talking


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If you go listen to his interview on Jordy’s show


Oh God it’s happening again.



Billy boy watched O’s moves and made notes I’ll give him that
Posted by Captain Crown
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 10/21/21 at 10:48 am to
Is he better coming out than Herman was? Skins on the wall?
Posted by tiggerthetooth
Big Momma's House
Member since Oct 2010
64190 posts
Posted on 10/21/21 at 10:50 am to
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He's modeling everything after Saban and is fully committed in life to the Alabama job.




So he's a copycat and has only proven to be mildly successful at ULL.

At what point does LSU get over the Nick Saban obsession?
Posted by penman
Member since Jul 2009
1505 posts
Posted on 10/21/21 at 10:50 am to
Named his kid Danger

But with French pronunciation—“ dohn jay
Posted by tiggerthetooth
Big Momma's House
Member since Oct 2010
64190 posts
Posted on 10/21/21 at 10:51 am to
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You should read the whole article. It gives some great insight into what to expect IF Napier were to come to LSU.



Literally nothing spectacular in this article you keep posting over and over.


Its also by SI and it's funny how you don't believe anything they write unless to confirms your biases.
Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Posted on 10/21/21 at 10:54 am to
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This mentality is the intellectual equivalent to “talks to like us”



Correct. They can't objectively argue for his candidacy over other coaches so they resort to exaggerating unquantifiable attributes by saying he's "detailed and organized" and he "runs things like Saban".



Sounds like generic resume fluff for a coach who wants a big time gig.
Posted by luciouslou
Lafayette
Member since Jun 2017
7459 posts
Posted on 10/21/21 at 10:55 am to
He is very humble. It's refreshing
Posted by LSUChamps03
Member since Feb 2006
2966 posts
Posted on 10/21/21 at 10:56 am to
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This is my biggest problem with Napier. Chasing the idea that he’s the “next Saban”.


I don’t see the problem with a guy working with Saban and trying to model his philosophy similarly. Saban’s “process” has been the most successful ever in college football.

If you listen to him speak you’ll see he isn’t the same personality as Saban. He smiles, he’s polite with reporters, speaks often about his wife and children, and praises the efforts of his staff and players. He really is very unlike Saban in that sense.

He is bright enough to have taken what he’s learned from the best of all time and modified to fit his style while keeping its basic organizational approach. How anyone can be critical or leery of the comparison is beyond me.

I’d recommend watching some videos of his press conferences, interviews on YouTube. Go from there.
Posted by tiggerthetooth
Big Momma's House
Member since Oct 2010
64190 posts
Posted on 10/21/21 at 10:56 am to
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He is very humble.



How the frick do you know this? How do you know he's humble? Describe exactly what makes you think this that you don't see in other coaches?
Posted by tiggerthetooth
Big Momma's House
Member since Oct 2010
64190 posts
Posted on 10/21/21 at 10:58 am to
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He is bright enough to have taken what he’s learned from the best of all time and modified to fit his style while keeping its basic organizational approach. How anyone can be critical or leery of the comparison is beyond me.



Describe to me exactly what he does that's different from any other coach. Give exact details.
Posted by CaptainPanic
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Posted on 10/21/21 at 10:58 am to
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He wants to “put his players in the best position to have success”
Oh wow, I've never heard a coach say this!
Posted by ColdTurkey
Where the Buffalo roam...
Member since Nov 2019
7698 posts
Posted on 10/21/21 at 11:01 am to
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Again, I’m not saying he will or won’t be the coach. But that fricker will win national titles somewhere. I’d really like it to be at LSU.

DING DING DING
Posted by luciouslou
Lafayette
Member since Jun 2017
7459 posts
Posted on 10/21/21 at 11:01 am to
I have been watching him closely for 3 years.
Press conferences, speaking engagements, etc.
He is the epitome of humble.
He makes $2000000 a year and drives an old raggedy vehicle because he does not want his kids to be pretentious.
No matter who you want for this job you have to respect that
Posted by McLaggen
Jackassistan
Member since Aug 2016
474 posts
Posted on 10/21/21 at 11:05 am to
Lol well who is beating down the doors to come coach here? Realistic options? Napier is realistic, y’all need to take y’all’s purple and gold glasses off for a second. It’s a top 5 paying job and that’s it. Our last two championships were a stretch. One was lightning in a bottle and the other was with another coaches players. Also with everything else going on here and in the state, there’s not that much that’s appealing.
Posted by Tiger Voodoo
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Member since Mar 2007
22111 posts
Posted on 10/21/21 at 11:09 am to
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You should read the whole article. It gives some great insight into what to expect IF Napier were to come to LSU.



The Saban stuff is just platitudes, all of his assistants have said the same things, few of which have done much, the shadow staff is also the standard in CFB now so nothing that I find all that impressive.


That said, it was a good article and my biggest takeaway from it was the stuff about his father and the influence that had on him. That’s new information to me and definitely gives me some insight about him that I didn’t know and makes me respect him more.

Thanks for posting
Posted by tiggerthetooth
Big Momma's House
Member since Oct 2010
64190 posts
Posted on 10/21/21 at 11:10 am to
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Lol well who is beating down the doors to come coach here? Realistic options?



Don't know. I heard Lane Kiffin was, but usually coaches don't just blurt out their desires to coach somewhere, so I don't know why you expect to know unless you're the AD.


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Napier is realistic, y’all need to take y’all’s purple and gold glasses off for a second.



Huh? Has nothing to do with calling out the blind "he's just a Saban clone!" Bias being tossed around. It's pathetic. Literally nothing similar about them other than what some sensationalist articles may say (only 1 has even said it).


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Also with everything else going on here and in the state, there’s not that much that’s appealing.




Absolutely a defeatist attitude for a top job and not at all the argument for Napier that's dominating this board.
Posted by Lou Pai
Member since Dec 2014
29478 posts
Posted on 10/21/21 at 11:13 am to
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He's modeling everything after Saban and is fully committed in life to the Alabama job.

I don't think that's necessarily reasonable and I suspect he can be compelled to change his mind, but it's his entire focus.


My impression is that he would have taken the AU job if your administration didn't try to force assistants on him. In parallel last year, Woodward supposedly put a bug in his ear that we would be interested and give him full control if hired.

I don't know if he grew up cheering for, or at least fond of Bama, but I see no reason why the LSU job wouldn't be as attractive in terms of resources and inherent advantages as Bama, structurally. And in the medium term, he can supplant their position with another program in the same division and conference. That sounds pretty compelling to me.
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