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All you people freaking out because O is not a better choice than Herman...
Posted on 11/26/16 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 11/26/16 at 2:52 pm
Herman wasn't coming here. Neither was Fisher. They both used LSU as leverage, and there's probably nothing alleva or the boosters or anyone else could have done to change that. Not everyone in the world thinks LSU is a dream job just because there's no other in state school.
GIVEN THAT, give me arguments about why mullet gundy, fedora, or any of the other B-list coaches would have been a better choice than O. There's a legitimate chance that any one of those coaches could have a significant drop off in recruiting and left us as a middle of the pack team by the time they were fired.
With the O deal, he's on a short leash, he has little to no buyout, and it's virtually guaranteed that if fired he will still leave the roster stacked with talent, giving us another shot at an A-list coach. It's clearly the third best choice.
ETA: Also, all you morons comparing his record at ole miss could not be missing the picture by a wider margin. Les Miles was a clueless buffoon, yet he inherited a stacked roster, hired decent coordinators, and did pretty damn well until he decided a passing game was no longer a necessary component of football. Orgeron inherited a shite program at Ole Miss and tried to build it in to something. Orgeron is a better coach than miles, and is inheriting an even more stacked roster. It's really just not that hard to maintain this program once it's already loaded with NFL talent.
GIVEN THAT, give me arguments about why mullet gundy, fedora, or any of the other B-list coaches would have been a better choice than O. There's a legitimate chance that any one of those coaches could have a significant drop off in recruiting and left us as a middle of the pack team by the time they were fired.
With the O deal, he's on a short leash, he has little to no buyout, and it's virtually guaranteed that if fired he will still leave the roster stacked with talent, giving us another shot at an A-list coach. It's clearly the third best choice.
ETA: Also, all you morons comparing his record at ole miss could not be missing the picture by a wider margin. Les Miles was a clueless buffoon, yet he inherited a stacked roster, hired decent coordinators, and did pretty damn well until he decided a passing game was no longer a necessary component of football. Orgeron inherited a shite program at Ole Miss and tried to build it in to something. Orgeron is a better coach than miles, and is inheriting an even more stacked roster. It's really just not that hard to maintain this program once it's already loaded with NFL talent.
This post was edited on 11/26/16 at 3:36 pm
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Posted on 11/26/16 at 2:54 pm to el duderino III
i agree with this, we never had herman, his agent was going to use lsu to get more money from tx. even if we offered more than tx would have, he still would have gone to tx
Posted on 11/26/16 at 2:54 pm to el duderino III
quote:
give me arguments about why mullet gundy, fedora, or any of the other B-list coaches would have been a better choice than O.
It's the principle. Run a search like a normal program. If O was the best candidate so be it, but at least do your due diligence.
Posted on 11/26/16 at 2:56 pm to el duderino III
quote:Well we can't take the first part of your post as gospel
GIVEN THAT
Posted on 11/26/16 at 2:57 pm to el duderino III
quote:
Herman wasn't coming here. Neither was Fisher.
Ok...
quote:
GIVEN THAT, give me arguments about why mullet gundy, fedora, or any of the other B-list coaches would have been a better choice than O.
Were there only B coaches left?
See...we are constantly saying, and the national pundits are agreeing with it, LSU is AT WORST a Top 10 location for a coach. Is that true or not?
If it's true, you don't stop a option A or option B. You start forcing each and every top coach to tell you know.
When you finally get down to your DL coach, then FINE...offer him. Until then, what the frick other than squatter's rights does Orgeron have that makes him qualified to take the reigns of this program? If he was not seen as a head coach hire for any other program, why ONLY LSU?
Non...if LSU is just some run of the mill location, by all means hire whoever, call it a day, and let's move on with our lives since football just isn't that important to us.
Being a good fit is one thing...being the ONLY fit is fricking nonsense.
Posted on 11/26/16 at 2:59 pm to el duderino III
herman coming here depended upon charlie strong keeping his job at texas. it's really that simple.
jimbo would've come here, but apparently his price tag was too high. jimbo is not a saban/meyer/harbaugh type coach. not worth 7mil a year.
i'm pissed we didn't at least try for someone better than ed orgeron.
that said, coach O is our coach, i'll root for the tigers.
jimbo would've come here, but apparently his price tag was too high. jimbo is not a saban/meyer/harbaugh type coach. not worth 7mil a year.
i'm pissed we didn't at least try for someone better than ed orgeron.
that said, coach O is our coach, i'll root for the tigers.
Posted on 11/26/16 at 2:59 pm to el duderino III
This says otherwise...
" Herman was “elated” and “surprised it was him over (Jimbo) Fisher,” said the source, who also said there never was a contract offer made to Fisher."
"Herman assured the LSU brass “he wanted to compete in the best conference in the country,” the source said. The source said Herman also was turned off by the “politics” at Texas."
"Moreover, there was a lingering concern over his offensive coordinator, Major Applewhite, being able to return to Austin. “Major is a stumbling block,” the source said."
"Herman and LSU had an agreement in place for him to become LSU’s coach. The source would not divulge exact terms but did concede the annual compensation was “north of five (million per year).” Papers were to be signed Saturday morning in Houston."
Then Alleva ran away scared because he didnt want to compete with UTw. Who says Herman was even interested? Like a smart businessman he wanted to at least hear UTw out and see what they were offering. Whos to say that if Alleva didnt wait a few fricking seconds Herman wouldnt have told UTw, "Thats a decent offer but I like my chances at LSU" and then sign the Alleva offer?
You dont get your fricking feelings hurt and rip the contract up and storm out the office like a fricking 8 year old because the principal wants to make sure hes getting a good deal by checking his market price.
" Herman was “elated” and “surprised it was him over (Jimbo) Fisher,” said the source, who also said there never was a contract offer made to Fisher."
"Herman assured the LSU brass “he wanted to compete in the best conference in the country,” the source said. The source said Herman also was turned off by the “politics” at Texas."
"Moreover, there was a lingering concern over his offensive coordinator, Major Applewhite, being able to return to Austin. “Major is a stumbling block,” the source said."
"Herman and LSU had an agreement in place for him to become LSU’s coach. The source would not divulge exact terms but did concede the annual compensation was “north of five (million per year).” Papers were to be signed Saturday morning in Houston."
Then Alleva ran away scared because he didnt want to compete with UTw. Who says Herman was even interested? Like a smart businessman he wanted to at least hear UTw out and see what they were offering. Whos to say that if Alleva didnt wait a few fricking seconds Herman wouldnt have told UTw, "Thats a decent offer but I like my chances at LSU" and then sign the Alleva offer?
You dont get your fricking feelings hurt and rip the contract up and storm out the office like a fricking 8 year old because the principal wants to make sure hes getting a good deal by checking his market price.
This post was edited on 11/26/16 at 3:04 pm
Posted on 11/26/16 at 3:01 pm to el duderino III
Will you still be saying this when LSU performs like Texas and only wins 5 games next year?
Posted on 11/26/16 at 3:05 pm to el duderino III
I agree O is the best option for recruiting
But that's about it
But that's about it
Posted on 11/26/16 at 3:07 pm to nola000
This just makes me sad. Alleva let pride a 1 million a year get in the way after spending 10 million to get rid of our coach. Ridiculous.
Posted on 11/26/16 at 3:08 pm to el duderino III
So why did we fire an LSU legend?
Posted on 11/26/16 at 3:08 pm to el duderino III
We didn't even consider any other candidates until after the Florida game
LET THAT frickING SINK IN.
LET THAT frickING SINK IN.
Posted on 11/26/16 at 3:16 pm to nola000
quote:
" Herman was “elated” and “surprised it was him over (Jimbo) Fisher,” said the source, who also said there never was a contract offer made to Fisher." "Herman assured the LSU brass “he wanted to compete in the best conference in the country,” the source said. The source said Herman also was turned off by the “politics” at Texas." "Moreover, there was a lingering concern over his offensive coordinator, Major Applewhite, being able to return to Austin. “Major is a stumbling block,” the source said." "Herman and LSU had an agreement in place for him to become LSU’s coach. The source would not divulge exact terms but did concede the annual compensation was “north of five (million per year).” Papers were to be signed Saturday morning in Houston."
oh look it's a source with quotes that conflicts with all the other sources with quotes
Posted on 11/26/16 at 3:20 pm to GeauxTigerTM
quote:
Were there only B coaches left?
name an A list coach. I'm guessing what happened was alleva figured out he was being played for more money because Herman wanted to go to texas all along. Which is why Herman's agent leaked it that specifically lsu was specifically ready to sign on Saturday. There is no evidence that LSU had agreed to terms with herman and IF they had agreed to tems, it would absolutely be in Alleva's best interests to keep it as quiet as possible, knowing texas would be going after him.
In other words, if Alleva knew he didn't leak shite, he knew that it had to be the Herman camp that intentionally leaked it to texas. That's not the behavior of someone who's seriously considering your offer.
This post was edited on 11/26/16 at 3:23 pm
Posted on 11/26/16 at 3:24 pm to el duderino III
If you hire a coach predicated on giving him a short leash, then you're beyond an incompetent arse clown.
Posted on 11/26/16 at 3:25 pm to cas4t
quote:
I agree O is the best option for recruiting
But that's about it
What the frick was les miles good at? He literally knew nothing about football and ran a great program until the JL season tramatized him and he started meddling in the offense.
The reality is, it really doesn't take a brilliant HC to maintain a program stacked with talent. Orgeron>>>Miles, therefore he'll do just fine, if not better
Posted on 11/26/16 at 3:26 pm to GeauxTigerTM
quote:not if they discover the Rant
LSU is AT WORST a Top 10 location for a coach. Is that true or not?
Posted on 11/26/16 at 3:28 pm to el duderino III
quote:
name an A list coach
For the purpose of this discussion, I don't need to. All I need to do is ask for anyone's consensus of who would be in the Top 20 or 30 head coaches in America...college or NFL for that matter.
Start with Saban, then Meyer, then Harbaugh... Check off the guys who are essentially NO's without even asking. As soon as you get to a guy on that list that is NOT a definite no, he gets a feeler. And on down the list. At some point you hit a guy who's a solid hire who sees this as an upgrade job and for the right money. This is, once again, assuming we are what we like to claim we are, which is a Top 10 job.
My point here, and it ought to be obvious to all, is that you basically NEVER get to Ed Orgeron on this list. You just don't.
Hell...where exactly do you think you'd find some other program's position coach on our list if we were doing it this way? Again...no where.
Posted on 11/26/16 at 3:28 pm to j bro12
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predicated on giving him a short leash
short leash as in little to no buyout. You'd rather give larry fricking fedora 6m a year and a 12m dollar buyout, just so you can say you did a "thorough search", and I'm the incompetent one.
You idiots are just buthurt that your dreamboys didn't turn out to be LSU fans, and don't know how to handle it.
Posted on 11/26/16 at 3:30 pm to el duderino III
I still fail to see where Herman and his resume are better than CEO. Not saying CEO is the best, or right, choice... just why Herman (using facts) is light-years better. Jimbo, even a Cutcliffe or MacIntyre, have better resumes than both.
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