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re: Wheel of Time TV, Full Trailer Oct 27, show premieres Nov 19
Posted on 11/2/21 at 3:49 pm to Fun Bunch
Posted on 11/2/21 at 3:49 pm to Fun Bunch
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on top of that, Rand spends like 7 books separated from Elayne, for instance. The romantic relationships of WOT are to me, the worst aspect of it and the most in need of improvement.
I have no problem with trying to tighten those relationships up and this seems like a logical and relatively minor change.
i can't see them having one dude maintaining 3 sexual relationships in today's age. i'm sure they'll show them as consecutive lovers of Rand, not all happening at once. like you (or somebody) said on M/TV, they're all central to him, i think they can show him in consecutive relationships, but not simultaneous ones. just my guess, but that's probably not till season 3 or 4 at the earliest, IF they're pushing it.
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Posted on 11/2/21 at 4:00 pm to 3nOut
Rafe has said he is "more interested in polyamory than polygamy, I'll put it that way".
To be honest I agree
To be honest I agree
Posted on 11/2/21 at 4:03 pm to Fun Bunch
I think it's called ethical non-monogamy these days.
I actually know a few people in these types of relationships.
I actually know a few people in these types of relationships.
Posted on 11/2/21 at 4:04 pm to hogfly
Are we really going to complain about Elayne and Aviendha licking each other's twats?
Let's get real people.
Let's get real people.
Posted on 11/2/21 at 4:06 pm to Fun Bunch
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I have no problem with trying to tighten those relationships up and this seems like a logical and relatively minor change.
Homosexuality is clearly present in the W OT universe, and in no way portrayed negatively, directly or indirectly
I do not believe he is making the change to avoid running afoul of public perception of what is "overly socially acceptable", he is doing it because he wishes to portray his vision of what he thinks viewers should regard as socially acceptable
I think a work of fiction requiring readers/viewers to accept Magic, trollocs, and 6 foot 4 gingers living in the desert and running for hours on end without rest or injury, is not asking much more by expecting the readers to accept Rand's love life as written
Saying the relationships need to be "tightened up" is gobbledygook, the answer to a question no one was asking.
ETA: As the quote above points out, he is changing it because it is what he is interested in. I which he was interested in a faithful recounting of the original story
This post was edited on 11/2/21 at 4:09 pm
Posted on 11/2/21 at 4:07 pm to luvdoc
I think that he thinks, based on other comments he has made, that it will work better on screen.
I agree.
I agree.
Posted on 11/2/21 at 4:08 pm to luvdoc
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Saying the relationships need to be "tightened up" is gobbledygook, the answer to a question no one was asking.
You...are joking right?
The romantic relationships are BY FAR the thing that people think need work on the most.
RJ was bad at them and this is almost universally accepted in the fanhood.
Even the friend relationships are pretty bad.
Posted on 11/2/21 at 4:15 pm to luvdoc
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he is changing it because it is what he is interested in. I which he was interested in a faithful recounting of the original story
That's his job. His job is to make the best series he can not the most faithful word for word translation.
There are things that MUST be changed for screen. That's just the way it works.
There are changes that I hate. There are changes I don't love.
Changing the relationships in such a minor way to make them work better on screen is fine.
And its one we won't even see for like 3 more seasons at best.
Posted on 11/2/21 at 4:17 pm to Fun Bunch
I will agree with that, like how the flip did Nyn and Lan wind up with such an abrupt deep love, allegedly while on screen? I've reread the first book in a number of times, and that transition from strangers to soul mates was awkward at best
But I wouldn't have the show avoid making them a couple just because the courtship was poorly portrayed in the book.
And Rand's love for the girls, and their's for him, seemed to develop far more organically/realistically, and the 3 girls attempt to cope with the oddity (except the one who was accustomed to having polygamy in her society) was also addressed well in the series, I think
But I wouldn't have the show avoid making them a couple just because the courtship was poorly portrayed in the book.
And Rand's love for the girls, and their's for him, seemed to develop far more organically/realistically, and the 3 girls attempt to cope with the oddity (except the one who was accustomed to having polygamy in her society) was also addressed well in the series, I think
Posted on 11/2/21 at 4:19 pm to hogfly
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I think it's called ethical non-monogamy these days.
Going to throw that one out at my wife and see if it flies.
Posted on 11/2/21 at 4:21 pm to luvdoc
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I will agree with that, like how the flip did Nyn and Lan wind up with such an abrupt deep love, allegedly while on screen? I've reread the first book in a number of times, and that transition from strangers to soul mates was awkward at best
There are multiple examples of this. Moiraine and Thom? Among many other just shitty relationships. Siuan and Gareth Bryne? Perrin and Faile is unbearable.
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And Rand's love for the girls, and their's for him, seemed to develop far more organically/realistically, and the 3 girls attempt to cope with the oddity (except the one who was accustomed to having polygamy in her society) was also addressed well in the series, I think
And that won't change just because some of the girls also have romantic feelings for each other.
Posted on 11/2/21 at 4:24 pm to luvdoc
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Changing the relationships in such a minor way to make them work better on screen is fine
"work better on screen" means something different to me than to you and Rafe, I guess.
There are things that must be changed to accommodate the realistic limitations of the medium (TV).
I'm pretty sure that Rand's romantic life could be put on screen as written without overly taxing the special effects budget, or the technical limitations of television production.
Posted on 11/2/21 at 4:26 pm to luvdoc
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"work better on screen" means something different to me than to you and Rafe, I guess.
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without overly taxing the special effects budget, or the technical limitations of television production.
Clearly, because that isn't what I (or he) mean at all.
Posted on 11/2/21 at 4:31 pm to Fun Bunch
Moiraine and Thom? This clearly happened off screen and was intended to be a surprise. On rereads, there are a few clues along the way, but subtle.
Siuan and Gareth: I thought this was actually a pretty good lengthy courtship story
Perrin and Faile: Painful for so many reasons, but not so much because of a poorly portrayed or awkward courtship. Their story line was just too drawn out. and she was a spoiled niece of a queen bitch.
Romance was not Jordan's strong suit
Siuan and Gareth: I thought this was actually a pretty good lengthy courtship story
Perrin and Faile: Painful for so many reasons, but not so much because of a poorly portrayed or awkward courtship. Their story line was just too drawn out. and she was a spoiled niece of a queen bitch.
Romance was not Jordan's strong suit
This post was edited on 11/2/21 at 4:55 pm
Posted on 11/2/21 at 4:39 pm to Fun Bunch
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Clearly, because that isn't what I (or he) mean at all.
It certainly implies that the changes were made due to technical limitations beyond the director's control, rather than what it really means, which was "I like it this way better"
Posted on 11/2/21 at 5:25 pm to luvdoc
No it has nothing to do with technical means.
It has to do with story telling on screen.
It has to do with story telling on screen.
Posted on 11/2/21 at 8:33 pm to Fun Bunch
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His job is to make the best series he can not the most faithful word for word translation.
There are things that MUST be changed for screen. That's just the way it works. . .
Changing the relationships in such a minor way to make them work better on screen is fine.
I'll concede that he needs to make a show people will watch, but the rest of those words say nothing! c'mon, say it in plain English
I am no arteest, but the story is the story, with a proven track record of appealing to consumers of the genre as written. It could be faithfully presented on screen in a compelling and interesting way, satisfying readers and new fans alike.
It feels like it is the week before football season begins, and we are on our tenth thread about the fourth string quarterback and ready to get some real action going. Let the series begin!
BTW, sexing things up a bit is NOT something I would regard negatively, and there is plenty of off screen sex that could be imagined into just about anything!
But please don't think that means you have to work in a Whitecloakback Mountain scene . . .
This post was edited on 11/3/21 at 10:04 am
Posted on 11/3/21 at 9:58 am to luvdoc
I'm hopeful the TV show will just erase the Perrin/Faile storyline. The beauty in having a finished product is we can see how pointless she was to the final battle. We can still land the plane without wasting a lot of time on that horrid relationship.
Posted on 11/3/21 at 10:04 am to JB Bama
They aren't going to erase it.
But Rafe has said that Faile is one of his least favorite characters in the entire series so they are going to work on making her a bit more likeable and the relationship more believable and relatable.
But Rafe has said that Faile is one of his least favorite characters in the entire series so they are going to work on making her a bit more likeable and the relationship more believable and relatable.
Posted on 11/3/21 at 10:17 am to Fun Bunch
Someone refresh book 1 love stories, if any.
In several of these teasers/set pics, It heavily implies a rand/Egewyne relationship. I don't remember that (its been 15 years) at all. Weren't they just flirty, and expected to eventually end up together because they're the same age in a small town?
In several of these teasers/set pics, It heavily implies a rand/Egewyne relationship. I don't remember that (its been 15 years) at all. Weren't they just flirty, and expected to eventually end up together because they're the same age in a small town?
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