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re: The Wheel of Time -- Season 2 coming in September -- Wise Ones Thread (Book Spoilers)
Posted on 12/27/21 at 10:46 am to Centinel
Posted on 12/27/21 at 10:46 am to Centinel
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It's blatant and distracting. It completely rips you out of a fantasy setting.
It completely rips you out of a fantasy setting when everyone isn’t white in a city?
You’d probably be pretty unhappy walking around most major cities in the US. Like I dont understand what is unrealistic about people not being white?
It’s arbitrary and doesnt matter. And the majority of people are still white in the show.
This post was edited on 12/27/21 at 10:48 am
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Posted on 12/27/21 at 10:48 am to luvdoc
Again, the show isn't good, but it isn't as bad as the people on here make it out to be. TD is just a very hive mind type of place. People are scared out of their minds to have a different or nuanced opinion and all just buzz like flies to the same one.
I wish the show was a lot better, its just mediocre.
I wish the show was a lot better, its just mediocre.
Posted on 12/27/21 at 10:58 am to Fun Bunch
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do not agree, people are seeing what they want to see.
Your terrible take he was mentioning is acting like Witcher doesn't have great production values, not your defense of WOTs production values. WOT's production values are fine. They aren't going to blow you away, but as you say if the writing wasn't straight garbage not many people would be complaining about the production values with WOT.
Your take on Witcher is just bad however. Not liking Witcher is fine and dandy, everyone has different likes and dislikes, but that show (that I've watched so far through season 1) has excellent production values. The fight choreography, monsters, use of magic during small and large scale battle, and the set locations all looked stellar.
This post was edited on 12/27/21 at 11:02 am
Posted on 12/27/21 at 11:03 am to auyushu
I like Witcher.
it does not have excellent production values.
Dude.
Go watch the dragon episode again. Then come back to me. Its laughably bad.
I still like the show.
it does not have excellent production values.
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The fight choreography, monsters, use of magic during small and large scale battle, and the set locations all looked stellar.
Dude.
Go watch the dragon episode again. Then come back to me. Its laughably bad.
I still like the show.
This post was edited on 12/27/21 at 11:05 am
Posted on 12/27/21 at 11:19 am to Fun Bunch
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Go watch the dragon episode again. Then come back to me. Its laughably bad.
True, the cgi for the dragon was terrible. That's the only part I can remember being that bad though.
The Striga on the other hand was fantastic, after reading the short story I don't think I could have asked for a much better book to film translation. The fights in Blaviken were fantastic. The magic during the sorcerer's school parts and during the battle of Sodden were excellent.
Posted on 12/27/21 at 11:26 am to auyushu
Because it was the only thing they couldn't hide behind pitch black.
Once they had something in daylight it looked like dogshit.
Once they had something in daylight it looked like dogshit.
Posted on 12/27/21 at 11:27 am to Fun Bunch
Its also pretty clear that despite its flaws, team behind Witcher love the source material and care about it a lot.
I really am not sure Rafe does at all. I think he has built a fantasy land in his head that Robert Jordan would love him changing so much purely for politics.
I really am not sure Rafe does at all. I think he has built a fantasy land in his head that Robert Jordan would love him changing so much purely for politics.
Posted on 12/27/21 at 11:42 am to Babble
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It completely rips you out of a fantasy setting when everyone isn’t white in a city?
Yup, that's exactly what he said.
You're such a fraud. quote:
You’d probably be pretty unhappy walking around most major cities in the US. Like I dont understand what is unrealistic about people not being white?
You do realize that the US is just over 200 years old, right? You are comparing a setting equivalent to medieval times to modern day America. You do recognize that your point here is precisely the problem with the show that is being pointed out, right?
The fact, whether you want to read what anyone says about it or not, is that many of us have a problem with every village being the melting pot of America. We would be OK with each region being comprised of its own cultures and "races," and I, at least, would prefer that. In the books this is how it is, and it is done so for a reason. It is authentic to the time period this series is set to mimic.
Stop being obtuse
This post was edited on 12/27/21 at 11:46 am
Posted on 12/27/21 at 11:45 am to Midget Death Squad
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with each region being comprised of different cultures and "races,"
Not exactly. There's a lot of examples of cities having at least some ethnic diversity in the books.
Juilin Sandar is black, but most of the Tearan lords are not (although some are).
That being said. Emond's Field being ethnically diverse is pretty illogical.
Posted on 12/27/21 at 11:52 am to Fun Bunch
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There's a lot of examples of cities having at least some ethnic diversity in the books.
sure, but not dominant. Part of it is that the Seanchen capture many regions and people come to them for safety and security. It's very similar to Rome conquering. Romans would take the Gauls back to Rome, for example, but the towns and villages were still dominated by local races.
There's a big gap in difference between this and what the show is portraying. They have every town/village setup as a complete gumbo pot of races, which simply is not accurate to the setting.
3 Rivers in the show should have been an Indian village to focus on Egwyn. Having her and her family be Indian is fine, but then have 3 Rivers be the same. Rand stood out in the books due to his red hair (at least to how I remember it), but in this show he's just one of numerous other races. It doesn't make sense.
This is a small annoyance to me, but I understand why others hate it so much. If the show overall was good this is one of those things that I would brush off and move past. The problem here are the choads thinking it's because the show isn't all white as the reason people are taking issue with this.
Posted on 12/27/21 at 12:00 pm to Midget Death Squad
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3 Rivers in the show should have been an Indian village to focus on Egwyn. Having her and her family be Indian is fine,
Man that would have been a problem for Rafe considering the actress isn’t Indian. She’s aboriginal Australian.
Regardless if you do that then Tam al’Thor is an issue.
Posted on 12/27/21 at 12:08 pm to Fun Bunch
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Once they had something in daylight it looked like dogshit.
Blaviken and Sodden were mostly in daylight and looked great, you are being over the top here.
I'd agree the main difference is the respect and love for the source material. Cavill and the Witcher showrunner clearly understand that series and respect it. Rafe is using it as his own personal fanfiction and crapping all over it.
Posted on 12/27/21 at 12:49 pm to auyushu
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I agree with this. They are going to need some really positive word of mouth to bring some people back to watch.
This is where this show will dissipate.
Us GoT book readers wouldnt shut the frick up about the series until it caught so much hype it became a pop culture phenomenon. I had group texts will all my non reader friends who would ask me countless questions every episode, helping them understand what was going on. Go look at the views for each season. It just kept building. Watch parties were fairly common, where we would have the show on one TV and whatever NFL game was on the other.
WoT books are outstanding to me. I told some of those same friends about this show and they were excited to check it out. They are pretty much making fun of it at this point.
I'll continue to watch, but absolutely will not be trying to get others on board, as it is NOT that great. I just don't understand WHY the plot inconveniently misses opportunities to make sense. A few that stood out to me during finale:
1. Why wouldn't Loial/Perrin wreck shop on the horn stealers, only to have Fain get away at the last second with it. It would have been a great transition from Perrin the weak to Perrin the angry. We kept seeing Perrin looking at the axe. Are we supposed to believe he is buying into the Tinker's theology about no violence, after he was tortured? This would have added another character that non-readers could root for, instead of making him look like a giant pussy the entire season. Put him in wolf rage and just wreak havoc.
2. Loial is not a giant. The scenes with him and Perrin make them almost eye level. This makes no sense, as you could have easily made him 7ft tall or more, by having a taller actor, or some forced perspective. This is not expensive to pull off. It seems in the show Loial was just for fan service and will be disposed of.
3. Lan - where to start? I guess we needed another weak male side plot. Arguably the best swordsman in Rand Land spends the last few episodes touching women's faces.
4. Tarwins gap. I don't care if Eg healed Nyn, at all. What I do care is, why on earth was the gate so ill equiped, and why the hell weren't channelers on top of, or above, the actual gate? I guess they needed to kill off more men, to make room for strong independent women
5. Seanchans - wife turned to me and said "that made no sense, are they good or bad". Fade to black.
edit: forgot the cold opening. It was season 1 Battlestar Galactica level of bad CGI
This post was edited on 12/27/21 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 12/27/21 at 12:51 pm to YumYum Sauce
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I'll continue to watch, but absolutely will not be trying to get others on board, as it is NOT that great.
Same
Posted on 12/27/21 at 1:08 pm to YumYum Sauce
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5. Seanchans - wife turned to me and said "that made no sense, are they good or bad". Fade to black.
I didn't mind that. Even in the books, the Seanchan are extremely mysterious until we get a first hand account of them from Fain, Egwene, Min, and Nynaeve. There are only vague stories about them before that. Like you mentioned with Loial, that scene was for the book readers.
This post was edited on 12/27/21 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 12/27/21 at 1:56 pm to YumYum Sauce
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5. Seanchans - wife turned to me and said "that made no sense, are they good or bad". Fade to black.
Agreed with most of your complaints, but this makes no sense. The Seanchan were actually the one pretty cool thing about this episode, they should be relatively mysterious at this point, and I'm pretty sure them tsunamying a little girl is enough of a hint as to where they land on the good/bad scale.
Worst moment of the finale and a really bad sign for the show moving forward: the completely inexplicable decision to not have Egwene take control of the circle at Tarwin's Gap. Practically the whole season focused on Rand/Egwene, the cold open foreshadowed their argument from the last book to a tee, and they are the 2 most important characters in the entire series. It was right there. All they had to do was have Amalisa start losing control when the trollocs overran the wall/killed her brother, the 2 rando aes sedai burn out, Nynaeve tries to take control only to fail because control is what she lacks, Amalisa then burns out, the trollocs are coming fast, and finally Egwene steps up and takes control, obliterating the horde. Then you could have had her feel Rand channeling and try to help him only to start to burn out herself, then Nynaeve heals her which is Nynaeve's thing. So simple and a million times better than what we got, and it makes sense within their own story framework. Just baffled they did not give us some version of this.
Posted on 12/27/21 at 2:03 pm to Raistlins Apprentice
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tsunamying a little girl is enough of a hint as to where they land on the good/bad scale.
This was mentioned on The Movie board as well, but I didn't take it that they were trying to kill this one girl. They were pretty far off the coast and likely couldn't make out what was on the beach. They are just conquerors attacking the beach before making landfall.
Posted on 12/27/21 at 2:04 pm to Babble
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It completely rips you out of a fantasy setting when everyone isn’t white in a city?
Did you even read my fricking post?
Because the diarrhea of the mouth that followed clearly shows you didn't, and just want to beat up your own strawman position that all us folks hate those damn colored people!
Posted on 12/27/21 at 2:08 pm to Centinel
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Because the diarrhea of the mouth that followed clearly shows you didn't, and just want to beat up your own strawman position that all us folks hate those damn colored people!
Babble is the worst kid of racist. At least Klansmen are honest about their hatred and we know where they stand. Babble and her ilk are the ones who try to veil their racism in the guise of casting her own on everyone else in order to sneak out her evil thoughts. She's a coward
This post was edited on 12/27/21 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 12/27/21 at 3:07 pm to Raistlins Apprentice
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So simple and a million times better than what we got, and it makes sense within their own story framework. Just baffled they did not give us some version of this.
It is obvious at this point, that there's no way in hell the showrunner will let Rand dominate any women any time soon. He had to get a magical San'greal to even compete. Rand will only be dominant due to foreign object used in channeling created by women, just fricking watch
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