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re: Dune
Posted on 1/30/24 at 2:55 pm to boxcarbarney
Posted on 1/30/24 at 2:55 pm to boxcarbarney
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You must be referring to the Mentats. They're completely human.
"This is a Mentat, Feyd. It has been trained and conditioned to perform certain duties. The fact that its encased in a human body, however, must not be overlooked. A serious drawback, that. I sometimes think the ancients with their thinking machines had the right idea."
This is the quote that lead me to believe that a Menatat was a robot. With your added info I can see where I misinterpreted but it definitely made it seem like it was only "encased in a human body" not a human in and of itself. I assume its because the Baron just thinks himself above the Mentat?
I find the worst part of reading books is that I don't have anyone to talk them out with like I would with a GOT type show. If y'all (Boxcar) don't mind, I will report back every now and then and we can discuss whats happening.
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Posted on 1/30/24 at 3:19 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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If y'all (Boxcar) don't mind, I will report back every now and then and we can discuss whats happening.
One of the few pleasures in my life is talking Dune with people. So feel free to discuss away.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 10:42 pm to boxcarbarney
I’m actually glad OP started this thread. I have been wanting to start this book after seeing the first movie a few years ago when it came out and knowing second film is about to be released.
Also, I’ve tried googling and Alexa’ing my way to this prompt. I keep seeing Dune is a “trilogy” so how did we wind up with 6 Frank books and the two in which Brian finished it up? The original 6 on goodreads show all are authored by Frank but I don’t see a Dune 7 and Dune 8 on there.
Sorry if that’s dumb. I’m new to Dune universe and you’ve put a lot of good stuff in here so hoping you won’t mind answering.
TIA.
Also, I’ve tried googling and Alexa’ing my way to this prompt. I keep seeing Dune is a “trilogy” so how did we wind up with 6 Frank books and the two in which Brian finished it up? The original 6 on goodreads show all are authored by Frank but I don’t see a Dune 7 and Dune 8 on there.
Sorry if that’s dumb. I’m new to Dune universe and you’ve put a lot of good stuff in here so hoping you won’t mind answering.
TIA.
Posted on 1/31/24 at 9:04 am to TheFunk
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I keep seeing Dune is a “trilogy” so how did we wind up with 6 Frank books and the two in which Brian finished it up?
I'm not really sure. I'm guessing they mean either the Villeneuve films, which will be a trilogy of sorts. Or they mean the first three book which really do tie into each other. The 4th book, while still having some of the same characters, is wildly different from the first three.
You really could read just the first three books and have a satisfying ending to the series. But man, the fourth book is just so damn good.
I really hope yall get to at least God Emperor, because I'd love to discuss in detail on here.
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knowing second film is about to be released.
I'm sure you're aware, but others may not be; the second Villeneuve film is really the 2nd half of the 1st Dune novel.
Next, Villeneuve plans to film Dune Messiah. I'm not sure which route he's going with it, but it seems to me like he should do like the Sci Fi Channel did and have Dune Messiah and Children of Dune be one movie.
Posted on 1/31/24 at 6:00 pm to boxcarbarney
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But man, the fourth book is just so damn good. I really hope yall get to at least God Emperor, because I'd love to discuss in detail on here.
I hated God Emperor. Took a lot for me to finish it.
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Villeneuve plans to film Dune Messiah. I'm not sure which route he's going with it, but it seems to me like he should do like the Sci Fi Channel did and have Dune Messiah and Children of Dune be one movie.
Messiah is so short it makes sense to roll it into Children of Dune.
Posted on 2/4/24 at 8:58 am to Larry_Hotdogs
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First book is great. 100% worth the read.
I just picked it up and plan to get through it before the new movie comes out. I've heard nothing but good things about it. Hopefully my work schedule calms tf down so I can find some time to knock it out.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 8:53 am to Powerman
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I just picked it up and plan to get through it before the new movie comes out. I've heard nothing but good things about it. Hopefully my work schedule calms tf down so I can find some time to knock it out.
Set aside time for it. The book can be as deep and thought-provoking as you allow it to be. Its still enjoyable on the surface level though. Just don't expect an action packed sci-fi space adventure.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 9:20 pm to boxcarbarney
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don't expect an action packed sci-fi space adventure.
Actually makes me want to read it more
Posted on 2/8/24 at 12:25 am to Powerman
I enjoyed Dune until they started "riding the worms". It just got too far out there for my taste. I did enjoy the movie though, and I'll definitely watch part 2. It's significantly better than the 1984 version.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 9:06 am to boxcarbarney
Between Mardi Gras and work ramping up, my reading has been a bit slow. I have found that this book isn’t the easiest read but it’s very rewarding once you get going. Meaning I can’t just pick it up for 5-10 minutes and read a few pages, I really have to carve out 30 minutes to an hour to really get into it.
But I digress. My question really is Why did the Emperor decide to remove the Harkonens and give Arrakis to the Atreides if he plans to use his own soldiers disguised as Harkonens to sabotage Duke Leto?
Maybe they mentioned it and I just missed it? I’m only a quarter done with the book so if I will find out the motive later, just tell me I’ll find out later.
But I digress. My question really is Why did the Emperor decide to remove the Harkonens and give Arrakis to the Atreides if he plans to use his own soldiers disguised as Harkonens to sabotage Duke Leto?
Maybe they mentioned it and I just missed it? I’m only a quarter done with the book so if I will find out the motive later, just tell me I’ll find out later.
Posted on 2/20/24 at 2:19 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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My question really is Why did the Emperor decide to remove the Harkonens and give Arrakis to the Atreides if he plans to use his own soldiers disguised as Harkonens to sabotage Duke Leto?
Duke Leto was extremely popular among the Landsraad, and the emperor saw Leto as a threat.
The emperor couldn't just take Leto out, so he used the Harkonnens to do it. Since the Harkonnens and Atreides had been feuding for centuries, the emperor could hide his destruction of House Atreides as a legal feud between two houses.
Disputes between houses are regulated by Kanly, which is a set of rules for house to house warfare meant to limit the destruction of infrastructure and loss of innocent life.
The Harkonnens invading Arrakis and destroying the Atreides was apparently legal under the rules of Kanly, since no other great house blinked an eye.
But the emperor had no legal basis to just unilaterally destroy a house because he didn't like them.
Posted on 2/26/24 at 8:55 am to boxcarbarney
I finished part 1 of dune and I’m really into it. It has a game of thrones season 1 type feel where there was a lot of political chess going on before the “bad guys” outmaneuvered the good guy. I feel like this is setting up a nice guys finish last theme and Paul will have to play dirty to win.
Also a Darth Vader feel as Paul figures out his lineage.
I feel for Yueh. He was stuck between a rock and a hard place and made the best of the situation that he could. But he should have known not to trust those frickers.
I hope Gurney and/or Hawat survive so Paul has some experienced fighters on his side.
Also a Darth Vader feel as Paul figures out his lineage.
I feel for Yueh. He was stuck between a rock and a hard place and made the best of the situation that he could. But he should have known not to trust those frickers.
I hope Gurney and/or Hawat survive so Paul has some experienced fighters on his side.
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Posted on 2/26/24 at 12:45 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
One of my all time favorite reads.
Posted on 2/28/24 at 1:46 pm to scrooster
Read Dune decades ago. Loved it with much zeal. Then came a couple of the less memorable sequels - gom jabbar-like, they squashed my zeal, and poisoned my interest in Paul, his sister, Chani, the Fremen and the Sisterhood witches. My interests all tanked into a sad mush of apathy.
Posted on 3/5/24 at 12:44 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
I finished the book today and wow what a ride. There were a few parts that I thought dragged a bit but good lord did it come to a climactic end.
My favorite "minor" character is Alia. I have a 4 year old daughter and the thought of her dressing down al the adults cracked me up. She was a bad little bitch.
the only thing I didn't fully understand is did Paul, Usul, Muad Dib, Lisan Al Gaib, Kwitsatz Haderach, Duke Atreides flip at the end and decide that the jihad he was trying to avoid is now his purpose?
My favorite "minor" character is Alia. I have a 4 year old daughter and the thought of her dressing down al the adults cracked me up. She was a bad little bitch.
the only thing I didn't fully understand is did Paul, Usul, Muad Dib, Lisan Al Gaib, Kwitsatz Haderach, Duke Atreides flip at the end and decide that the jihad he was trying to avoid is now his purpose?
This post was edited on 3/5/24 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 3/5/24 at 1:33 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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My favorite "minor" character is Alia
If Alia is your favorite, you're going to love/hate the next two books.
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the only thing I didn't fully understand is did Paul, Usul, Muad Dib, Lisan Al Gaib, Kwitsatz Haderach, Duke Atreides flip at the end and decide that the jihad he was trying to avoid is now his purpose?
I think Paul was trying to avoid the jihad, but saw it as inevitable at the end. Remember, his prescient vision wasn't total; he could only see a large swath of possible futures, but even then most was hidden from him.
There are things Paul could have done, that he didn't, and this really ties into the 3rd and mainly the 4th book.
Posted on 3/5/24 at 4:05 pm to boxcarbarney
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If Alia is your favorite, you're going to love/hate the next two books.
Whatever her character does or doesn't do can't ruin a 4 year old running around stabbing the wounded for fun.
I plan to start Dune Messiah tomorrow after I see Dune 2 tonight. Is there a timelapse between the end of Dune and Dune Messiah?
Posted on 3/6/24 at 8:21 am to Bert Macklin FBI
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Is there a timelapse between the end of Dune and Dune Messiah?
There is, but its not a huge jump.
Posted on 3/6/24 at 11:00 am to boxcarbarney
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There is, but its not a huge jump.
What were your thoughts on the movies? I dislike what they did to Chani and Stilgar's characters but all other changes were understandable from a movie making POV.
Posted on 3/6/24 at 12:53 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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What were your thoughts on the movies? I dislike what they did to Chani and Stilgar's characters but all other changes were understandable from a movie making POV.
I haven't seen the 2nd one yet, mainly because my family is a huge pain in my arse. If they aren't ready to see it by this weekend, I'm going by myself.
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