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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS

Posted on 4/3/14 at 10:59 am to
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 4/3/14 at 10:59 am to
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Isn't the first rule when dealing with Little Finger is you don't trust Little Finger?


What possible motive would Cersei have for killing Joffrey on his wedding day of all days? Cersei wanted that day to be perfect, and killing him with half the realm in attendance wouldn't make sense. Cersei is also the only person in the Seven Kingdoms who actually liked Joffrey. People in that room who had much larger motives to kill Joffrey:

Tyrion
Sansa
Tywin
The Red Viper
Olenna
Margeary
Garlan
Loras
Mace
Dontos
This post was edited on 4/3/14 at 11:06 am
Posted by Finkle is Einhorn
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 4/3/14 at 11:00 am to
Something that went unnoticed in reading the books that I caught recently.

The accusations against Margaery were based on Pycelle providing her with moon tea:

"Why does Margaery send for you?"

"She desires . . . she . . . she . . ."

"Say it!"

He cringed. "Moon tea," he whispered. "Moon tea, for . . ."

"I know what moon tea is for." There it is.


The 'for' could be that he was going to say WHO it was for, not WHAT it was for. I know many people already think that the tea was for someone else, however I hadn't noticed that the text actually backs it up.

Also who, if anybody, do you think Margaery is sleeping with? Or was her maidenhead broken from riding horses like Cercei speculates at the end of AFFC?
Posted by Cosmo
glassman's guest house
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Posted on 4/3/14 at 11:24 am to
Who was it for pourquoi?
Posted by BlackleafBaller
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 4/3/14 at 11:28 am to
She's been fricking Moon Boy. Calling that shite now.
Posted by ladytiger118
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 4/3/14 at 11:34 am to
She's been fricking Lancel, Osmund Kettleblack, and Moonboy for all I know.
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 4/3/14 at 11:35 am to
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Cersei is also the only person in the Seven Kingdoms who actually liked Joffrey. People in that room who had much larger motives to kill Joffrey:

She couldn't control Joffrey like she would have been able to with Tommen.
Posted by ladytiger118
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 4/3/14 at 11:37 am to
I still think Cersei is one of the least likely people to have killed him. Tywin or Sansa are wayyyyy more likely IMO.
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 4/3/14 at 11:45 am to
True, I just thought I'd see if anyone else thought it was a possibility.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 4/3/14 at 12:56 pm to
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She couldn't control Joffrey like she would have been able to with Tommen.


Cersei never really had that much of a problem with not controlling Joffrey so much as attempting to control her Lord Father. Tywin was the one who knew that the lack of control of Joffrey would doom them all. It's easily foreseeable that Joffrey would not have only killed Tyrion, but also gone back to war with every house that ever defied him, and lead to the doom of House Lannister. Joffrey had to go before he turned 16.
Posted by ladytiger118
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 4/3/14 at 1:02 pm to
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Tywin was the one who knew that the lack of control of Joffrey would doom them all. It's easily foreseeable that Joffrey would not have only killed Tyrion, but also gone back to war with every house that ever defied him, and lead to the doom of House Lannister. Joffrey had to go before he turned 16.

Definitely, and Tywin was no fool; he knew that Joffrey had already pissed off most of the kingdom and that Joffrey would be dead meat in no time (due to the fact that he pissed off so many people). Tywin cared about the Lannister Legacy and knew that Joffrey would be the ruin of his House. In many aspects the Purple Wedding--while I don't think Tywin was involved--was a good move for Tywin to be able to use Tommen to cement his rule as Hand/his control over the Seven Kingdoms and bring stability back to the Realm. However Cersei is fricking dumb and screwed it up, along with Tyrion putting a crossbow to him.
This post was edited on 4/3/14 at 1:04 pm
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 4/3/14 at 1:09 pm to
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Tywin cared about the Lannister Legacy and knew that Joffrey would be the ruin of his House. In many aspects the Purple Wedding--while I don't think Tywin was involved--was a good move for Tywin to be able to use Tommen to cement his rule as Hand/his control over the Seven Kingdoms and bring stability back to the Realm.


Plus it theoretically got rid of Tyrion forever. I think the only thing that really pissed Tywin off about the situation is that someone dare do at the most regal event in the history of the Seven Kingdoms. He was glad to be rid of both Tyrion and Joffrey.

The only thing dumb that Tywin did in that is letting Cersei name the Mountain as her champion, when one of the most feared and dirty fighters was in the city and had a dream of taking down the Mountain himself, which win or loss would royally frick the Lannisters. The scenario of Oberyn defending Tyrion should have certainly been in the front of his mind and risked letting Bronn take on basically anyone else for Tyrion to get away.
This post was edited on 4/3/14 at 1:14 pm
Posted by ladytiger118
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 4/3/14 at 1:21 pm to
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The only thing dumb that Tywin did in that is letting Cersei name the Mountain as her champion, when one of the most feared and dirty fighters was in the city and had a dream of taking down the Mountain himself, which win or loss would royally frick the Lannisters. The scenario of Oberyn defending Tyrion should have certainly been in the front of his mind and risked letting Bronn take on basically anyone else for Tyrion to get away.


Posted by LSUfan20005
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 4/3/14 at 2:01 pm to
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Anyone have a good lemon cake recipe?? I want to make some for Sunday night and I'm going to go buy some challah bread or some sort of egg bread like that and cut a hole in the middle and fill it with salt for guest rights.


Inn at the Crossroads

This is where I got my Old Bear's Spiced Wine recipe from as well, which I will be making this Sunday.
Posted by ladytiger118
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 4/3/14 at 2:05 pm to
Thanks . Can't wait to try a few variations to see which one is the best.
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 4/3/14 at 2:31 pm to
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was a good move for Tywin to be able to use Tommen to cement his rule as Hand/his control over the Seven Kingdoms and bring stability back to the Realm. However Cersei is fricking dumb and screwed it up, along with Tyrion putting a crossbow to him.


It wouldn't have mattered, I believe Tywin was already on his way to his death bed. Tyrion just gave him an easier way out.
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 4/3/14 at 2:35 pm to
You think he was poisoned which would explain the smell at his funeral?
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 4/3/14 at 2:43 pm to
IMO the Red Viper got him when (think it was Jamie's POV) the three(Tywin, Mace, Oberyn) had their private meeting.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 4/3/14 at 2:43 pm to
I don't believe it, but many fans think he was poisoned by the Red Viper.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 4/3/14 at 2:46 pm to
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IMO the Red Viper got him when (think it was Jamie's POV) the three(Tywin, Mace, Oberyn) had their private meeting.



Which leads one to wonder why he hadnt poisoned Mace as well to boot. He knew Willas was a cripple and the Martels and Tyrells have hated each other for centuries. There's only one explanation, the two families are working together to get a Targ (or someone they think is a Targ) back on the throne. They are trying to pave the way for Aegon.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
120445 posts
Posted on 4/3/14 at 2:47 pm to
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Which leads one to wonder why he hadnt poisoned Mace as well to boot. He knew Willas was a cripple and the Martels and Tyrells have hated each other for centuries. There's only one explanation, the two families are working together to get a Targ (or someone they think is a Targ) back on the throne. They are trying to pave the way for Aegon.


That would look far too suspicious.
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