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Posted on 3/16/14 at 12:40 pm to Samso
Anybody feel like a dumbass after reading the books and then checking into any theories?
For example- in the books Melisandre keeps talking about when she looks in the flames all she sees is snow. So the whole time while reading that I'm thinking, "yea bitch winter IS coming so surely there will be tons of snow." Then I finished aDwD and I start reading up on theories and I see several mentioning Melisandre's "snow" visions and it's very obvious she means Jon SNOW. And all I can think is "well no shite dumbass"
ib4CSB
For example- in the books Melisandre keeps talking about when she looks in the flames all she sees is snow. So the whole time while reading that I'm thinking, "yea bitch winter IS coming so surely there will be tons of snow." Then I finished aDwD and I start reading up on theories and I see several mentioning Melisandre's "snow" visions and it's very obvious she means Jon SNOW. And all I can think is "well no shite dumbass"
ib4CSB
Posted on 3/16/14 at 12:50 pm to Finkle is Einhorn
Isn't Snow a common name among bastards in Westeros though?
Posted on 3/16/14 at 1:27 pm to Korin
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Isn't Snow a common name among bastards in Westeros though?
Its given to all noble bastards born in the North.
Like Stone is given to all noble bastards born in the Vale, Rivers in the Riverlands, Sand in Dorne, Storm in the Stormlands.
I can't remember the names for the West or the Reach
This post was edited on 3/16/14 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 3/16/14 at 1:28 pm to Korin
Only in the North. Each region has its own bastard name.
But anyway, I missed like 95% of all these theories when I read through. I made a huge mistake taking everything at face value.
The Snow thing definitely got me. R+L=J never even crossed my mind. The whole a faceless man killing Balon and jaqen being in the Citadel also never registered to me.
I'm really interested in going through it again with all of these theories in mind to pick up clues.
But anyway, I missed like 95% of all these theories when I read through. I made a huge mistake taking everything at face value.
The Snow thing definitely got me. R+L=J never even crossed my mind. The whole a faceless man killing Balon and jaqen being in the Citadel also never registered to me.
I'm really interested in going through it again with all of these theories in mind to pick up clues.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 2:23 pm to FalseProphet
Here are the regions and the bastard name associated to each region:
Reach - Flowers
Westerlands - Hill
Iron Islands - Pyke
Riverlands - Rivers
Dorne - Sand
North - Snow
Vale - Stone
Stormlands - Storm
Crownlands - Waters
Reach - Flowers
Westerlands - Hill
Iron Islands - Pyke
Riverlands - Rivers
Dorne - Sand
North - Snow
Vale - Stone
Stormlands - Storm
Crownlands - Waters
Posted on 3/16/14 at 2:27 pm to FalseProphet
You will definitely catch more on a reread. Things are more obvious to the reader since you kinda know what to look for.
Another example was I finished reading and got online to look up theories and the first one I seen was titled "Who is the Hooded Man in Winterfell?" I had no clue what the hell it was even talking about. Had to look up what chapter and book it was even in
Another example was I finished reading and got online to look up theories and the first one I seen was titled "Who is the Hooded Man in Winterfell?" I had no clue what the hell it was even talking about. Had to look up what chapter and book it was even in
Posted on 3/16/14 at 2:28 pm to Finkle is Einhorn
Haha I have no idea what that is either. Have anything to do with Benjen?
Posted on 3/16/14 at 2:50 pm to FalseProphet
Reread the chaper "A Ghost in Winterfell" in aDwD. It's chapter 46.
Here's the excerpt:
“Outside the snow was coming down so heavily that Theon could not see more than three feet ahead of him. He found himself alone in a white wilderness, walls of snow looming up to either side of him chest high. When he raised his head, the snowflakes brushed his cheeks like cold soft kisses. He could hear the sound of music from the hall behind him. A soft song now, and sad. For a moment he felt almost at peace.
Farther on, he came upon a man striding in the opposite direction, a hooded cloak flapping behind him. When they found themselves face-to-face their eyes met briefly. The man put a hand on his dagger.
“Theon Turncloak. Theon Kinslayer.”
“I’m not. I never … I was ironborn.”
“False is all you were. How is it you still breathe?”
“The gods are not done with me,” Theon answered, wondering if this could be the killer, the night walker who had stuffed Yellow Dick’s cock into his mouth and pushed Roger Ryswell’s groom off the battlements. Oddly, he was not afraid. He pulled the glove from his left hand. “Lord Ramsay is not done with me.”
The man looked, and laughed. “I leave you to him, then.”
Here's the excerpt:
“Outside the snow was coming down so heavily that Theon could not see more than three feet ahead of him. He found himself alone in a white wilderness, walls of snow looming up to either side of him chest high. When he raised his head, the snowflakes brushed his cheeks like cold soft kisses. He could hear the sound of music from the hall behind him. A soft song now, and sad. For a moment he felt almost at peace.
Farther on, he came upon a man striding in the opposite direction, a hooded cloak flapping behind him. When they found themselves face-to-face their eyes met briefly. The man put a hand on his dagger.
“Theon Turncloak. Theon Kinslayer.”
“I’m not. I never … I was ironborn.”
“False is all you were. How is it you still breathe?”
“The gods are not done with me,” Theon answered, wondering if this could be the killer, the night walker who had stuffed Yellow Dick’s cock into his mouth and pushed Roger Ryswell’s groom off the battlements. Oddly, he was not afraid. He pulled the glove from his left hand. “Lord Ramsay is not done with me.”
The man looked, and laughed. “I leave you to him, then.”
Posted on 3/16/14 at 3:15 pm to FalseProphet
quote:
Haha I have no idea what that is either. Have anything to do with Benjen?
It's one of the first theories we talked about in this thread if you want to go back and check it out BTW.
There's some assumptions on who it can be.
1) That it's Theon/Reek seeing "himself".
2) That it's someone like Benjen Stark.
3) That it's someone we don't know yet.
ETA: IMO I think it depends on how you look at the "Theon Kinslayer" comment. Personally, I think someone who was close to the Starks knows Theon and Robb were like brothers. He abandoned Robb and I can see where that'd be interpreted as kinslaying. Same if they believe Rickon and Bran are "dead" by Theon's hand.
This post was edited on 3/16/14 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 3/16/14 at 3:17 pm to BluegrassBelle
Yea, I have been entertaining myself with this area for the last hour.
I like the Theon Durden idea. But, I like the idea of Harwin and the GNC more.
I like the Theon Durden idea. But, I like the idea of Harwin and the GNC more.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 3:29 pm to FalseProphet
Here's was my theory on the Hooded Man I posted in here previously:
Some say it is Benjen Stark, some say it is Theon Greyjoy’s split personality… I say it is twofold. The “Ghost of Winterfell” (as in hooded man who goes around killing Bolton men) is Mance Rayder (Abel, the singer) with his people, which is the reason Melisandre sent him to Winterfell in the first place as Jon assumed, correctly. But. “Ghost of Winterfell” is also Theon, simply because this is his POV chapter. This means that the title itself foreshadows development of Theon’s character arch that will end in death making Theon another one of Wintefell’s Ghosts. To what end? For one, Theon has suffered enough. Clean death would be a nice way to end his life. And if his death can aid a sorcerer from North of the Wall in resurrecting one of the remaining Stark children, his debt will truly be paid. Bloodraven, with the help of Bran, who’s been communicating with Theon via Weirwood tree (ADWD) and ravens (TWOW), will use Theon’s beheading (suggested to Stannis by Asha in TWOW) as the blood sacrifice and a retribution for Eddard Stark and his boys, to raise Jon from dead. ”There is power in king’s blood” and a reason why the last image Bran Stark saw through Weirwood in ADWD was the blood sacrifice. Death for Life.
Some say it is Benjen Stark, some say it is Theon Greyjoy’s split personality… I say it is twofold. The “Ghost of Winterfell” (as in hooded man who goes around killing Bolton men) is Mance Rayder (Abel, the singer) with his people, which is the reason Melisandre sent him to Winterfell in the first place as Jon assumed, correctly. But. “Ghost of Winterfell” is also Theon, simply because this is his POV chapter. This means that the title itself foreshadows development of Theon’s character arch that will end in death making Theon another one of Wintefell’s Ghosts. To what end? For one, Theon has suffered enough. Clean death would be a nice way to end his life. And if his death can aid a sorcerer from North of the Wall in resurrecting one of the remaining Stark children, his debt will truly be paid. Bloodraven, with the help of Bran, who’s been communicating with Theon via Weirwood tree (ADWD) and ravens (TWOW), will use Theon’s beheading (suggested to Stannis by Asha in TWOW) as the blood sacrifice and a retribution for Eddard Stark and his boys, to raise Jon from dead. ”There is power in king’s blood” and a reason why the last image Bran Stark saw through Weirwood in ADWD was the blood sacrifice. Death for Life.
This post was edited on 3/16/14 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 3/16/14 at 3:54 pm to Finkle is Einhorn
Well, who killed LIttle Walder then? Then wildlings are pretty forthcoming with who they kill, and they disclaim it was them that killed him.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 4:03 pm to Finkle is Einhorn
quote:I'm right there with you
Anybody feel like a dumbass after reading the books and then checking into any theories?
Posted on 3/16/14 at 4:05 pm to FalseProphet
I think its clear that Big Walder does.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 4:06 pm to OMLandshark
Not clear to someone who doesn't pay great attention 
Posted on 3/16/14 at 4:07 pm to FalseProphet
It's more just the soaked in blood and the fact that Big Walder began to despise him.
Posted on 3/16/14 at 4:37 pm to OMLandshark
I have a question.
Didn't the group that Robb was going to send up the rivers to the Neck and Greywater Watch break off from Robb's company before they made to the Twins? I assume we will find out more about them in the next book?
Didn't the group that Robb was going to send up the rivers to the Neck and Greywater Watch break off from Robb's company before they made to the Twins? I assume we will find out more about them in the next book?
Posted on 3/16/14 at 4:39 pm to OMLandshark
I agree on Big Walder killing little Walder. Think I read before something about the way GRRM describes the blood splatter??
Posted on 3/16/14 at 4:40 pm to SoGaFan
I'm assuming this is a show question?
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