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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERSPosted by CottonWasKing 
on 8/14/12 at 6:40 pm to ATLienTiger
on 8/14/12 at 6:40 pm to ATLienTigerquote:
All the other stuff I tend to ignore, you can only read so many opinions on hints on the same theory/idea till it just starts to annoy you
If I hear one more person try to justify why they Ned was indeed a badass with a sword Im gonna kick a puppy
re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERSPosted by ATLienTiger 
on 8/14/12 at 6:42 pm to CottonWasKing
on 8/14/12 at 6:42 pm to CottonWasKingTower of Joy man 
re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERSPosted by Boudin 
on 8/14/12 at 6:42 pm to CottonWasKing
on 8/14/12 at 6:42 pm to CottonWasKingquote:K, I was wondering what would lead somebody to do that.
that every time the AA attempted to temper the blade using normal techniques the blade shattered.
re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERSPosted by CottonWasKing on 8/14/12 at 6:45 pm to ATLienTiger
on 8/14/12 at 6:45 pm to ATLienTigerquote:
Tower of Joy man
Dude it was 7 vs 3 and Ned still had to rely on Howland to save his life.
Brandon was the true talent of the Starks
re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERSPosted by Tiger in NY on 8/14/12 at 6:49 pm to Boudin
on 8/14/12 at 6:49 pm to Boudinquote:
Damn, Theon aint dead? I thought they kilt his ass!
You may want to leave this thread unless you don't care about spoilers.
re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERSPosted by Tiger in NY on 8/14/12 at 6:52 pm to CottonWasKing
on 8/14/12 at 6:52 pm to CottonWasKingquote:
My problem with Benjen is I believe he would've went to Castle Black first. He is far too loyal to break his oaths to the nights watch
Yeah, this is why I think he has to be North of the Wall waging some kind of shadow war, if he is in fact alive.
re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERSPosted by CottonWasKing on 8/14/12 at 6:55 pm to Tiger in NY
on 8/14/12 at 6:55 pm to Tiger in NYquote:
Yeah, this is why I think he has to be North of the Wall waging some kind of shadow war, if he is in fact alive.
I honestly think hes dead.
re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERSPosted by Tiger in NY on 8/14/12 at 6:55 pm to BluegrassBelle
on 8/14/12 at 6:55 pm to BluegrassBellequote:
- That Jon's parents are Lyanna Stark and Rhaegar Targaryen (pretty much gospel in most parts these days)
You mean there are theories that have someone other than Ned as his father? I mean, I could see Lyanna I guess, since all descriptions of Jon describe him as looking very "Stark-ish". I assume this would also mean that Coddington is not really with Aegon?
re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERSPosted by boxcarbarney on 8/14/12 at 6:56 pm to BluegrassBelle
on 8/14/12 at 6:56 pm to BluegrassBelleSo Jon's coming back?
re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERSPosted by Tiger1242 on 8/14/12 at 6:58 pm to boxcarbarney
on 8/14/12 at 6:58 pm to boxcarbarneyquote:
So Jon's coming back?
If not I'm gonna punch a baby
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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERSPosted by F machine 
on 8/14/12 at 6:58 pm to CottonWasKing
on 8/14/12 at 6:58 pm to CottonWasKingHooded man? I've read all five books buy for some reason I'm forgetting about this.
re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERSPosted by Tiger in NY on 8/14/12 at 7:04 pm to CottonWasKing
on 8/14/12 at 7:04 pm to CottonWasKingquote:
I honestly think hes dead.
I denied that for a while, but am starting to believe you may be right. I just don't know why Martin would not have spelled it out clearly. I think that Benjen found out about the power of Dragonglass, and has been burying stashes like the one Ghost dug up for years. I think he has been fighting a shadow war because he has known that the Night's Watch has become weak.
re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERSPosted by Tiger in NY on 8/14/12 at 7:05 pm to boxcarbarney
on 8/14/12 at 7:05 pm to boxcarbarneyquote:
So Jon's coming back?
It wasn't made clear that he died.
re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERSPosted by CottonWasKing on 8/14/12 at 7:07 pm to Tiger in NY
on 8/14/12 at 7:07 pm to Tiger in NYquote:
You mean there are theories that have someone other than Ned as his father? I mean, I could see Lyanna I guess, since all descriptions of Jon describe him as looking very "Stark-ish". I assume this would also mean that Coddington is not really with Aegon?
It is basically taken as fact among fans that Rhaegar is Jon's father. All the clues point to that being the case and that Rhaegar didn't kidnap Lyanna she went with him willingly.
I don't see why that would make Connington or Aegon a phony though.
re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERSPosted by Tiger in NY on 8/14/12 at 7:09 pm to CottonWasKing
on 8/14/12 at 7:09 pm to CottonWasKingquote:
All the clues point to that being the case
What clues? My bad on "Coddington". I just finished ADWD a few days ago, and probably need to read them again to catch some of this stuff.
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I don't see why that would make Connington or Aegon a phony though.
I thought Rhaegar only had 2 kids (a boy and a girl)?
This post was edited on 8/14 at 7:11 pm
re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERSPosted by CottonWasKing on 8/14/12 at 7:09 pm to F machine
on 8/14/12 at 7:09 pm to F machinequote:
Hooded man? I've read all five books buy for some reason I'm forgetting about this.
Re read the chapter "A ghost in winterfell" in ADWD when you get a chance. When Theon is walking the yard right after yellow dick is found dead he comes across a man who recognizes him and Theon shows him his hand and missing fingers. Its just a strange scene that a lot of speculation has been centered on. It could very easily turn out to be nothing though.
re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERSPosted by CottonWasKing on 8/14/12 at 7:13 pm to Tiger in NY
on 8/14/12 at 7:13 pm to Tiger in NYquote:
What clues? My bad on "Coddington". I just finished ADWD a few days ago, and probably need to read them again to catch some of this stuff.
Most of them stem from Ned's time in the black cells when he is having his flashbacks to the tower of joy.
Why were three members of the Kingsguard there if not to protect the heir?
Lyanna was said to die in her bed of blood, Martin has used the term bloody bed to signify child birth multiple times throughout the series.
Lyanna was found clutching blue roses when she died, the same type of rose Rhaegar gave her when he crowned her at harrenhall.
She made ned "Promise her". We believe that promise was to keep her son safe from Robert.
Ned feels immense guilt towards Jon at the end and wishes to have one more conversation with him, however he doesn't have these feelings towards any of his other children.
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I thought Rhaegar only had 2 kids (a boy and a girl)?
The only two the realm knows about and Robert had them both killed. Which is why keeping Jon's identity a secret would be of the upmost importance to Ned.
This post was edited on 8/14 at 7:16 pm
re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERSPosted by Tiger in NY on 8/14/12 at 7:22 pm to CottonWasKing
on 8/14/12 at 7:22 pm to CottonWasKingquote:
The only two the realm knows about and Robert had them both killed. Which is why keeping Jon's identity a secret would be of the upmost importance to Ned.
Yeah, I can understand that and don't really have a hard time doubting there could be another child from Rhaegar. If Ned knew the kids were the offspring of his sister, he absolutely would have protected them too, so that is no stretch. Thanks for cluing me in on some of the things that lead people to the theories on Jon.
re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERSPosted by NIH 
on 8/14/12 at 7:23 pm to CottonWasKing
on 8/14/12 at 7:23 pm to CottonWasKingThe hooded man is either the Blackfish, Benjen Stark, or some Stark household soldier.
re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERSPosted by Tiger in NY on 8/14/12 at 7:25 pm to NIH
on 8/14/12 at 7:25 pm to NIHquote:
or some Stark household soldier.
I can't remember, could Jory have escaped?
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