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Posted on 11/9/12 at 4:05 pm to CottonWasKing
Very true
I'm excited to see what Euron has in the works in the next book.
I'm excited to see what Euron has in the works in the next book.
Posted on 11/9/12 at 4:54 pm to Tigerstark
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Is there any doubt that at some point dragons will have to attack said fortress? Why else have an inpenetrable sky fortress in the story?
There are a few instances that foreshadow things dealing with this. The main thing is when Sansa and Robert are playing in the snow, she has a castle made with snow and he is smashing it with his giant before she rips it's head off. The translation of this is Sansa killing a giant in a castle made of snow. The Erie is just that in the winter and Littlefinger's traditional coat of arms is a giant. So basically Sansa is going to flip the tables on Littlefinger.
Posted on 11/9/12 at 5:01 pm to ornagestorm
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There has been something bugging me: Why did Robert let Balon live after Balon's failed rebellion? He should have shortened him by a head or at lest made him take the black and other major people involved in the rebellion. The only thing they did was keep his son as hostage in Winterfell a place not too far from the Iron Islands. The only thing Robert did was encourage others to plot against him.
First if you have not everyone should read the 3 short stories (the hedge knight, the sworn sword, and the mystery knight), fantastic reads and are directly tied in with the main story line. In the mystery knight Bloodraven (while hand of the king) explains this. If you kill him someone else will just step up and revolt, it's hard to have a 3rd fake king with the 2nd still alive. Instead you do as they did and take a son or daughter as ransom to ensure their loyalty. Obviously gold and things of material nature are also taken to cripple the rebels.
Posted on 11/9/12 at 5:17 pm to 19
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That's why I'd like to reconcile where this story took place. If Dragons had free reign over the world thousands of years before the coming of the First Men to Westeros, then The Ice Dragon can't be in Westeros...less the main characters would be COTF and not human.
Yeah but the world is much larger than just Valyria and Westeros, there is much that he has said he will never take characters to and in turn never cover in his books. I think they have to be connected due to the references in the story as well as the constellation they call the ice dragon with its blue eye in GoT.
Also, we know that dragons were new when the Targs came over but that doesn't mean they weren't there at one point. The first men arrived like 8000 years prior and the Targs have only been around for like 350 at the most. The last invasion of the others was like 4,000 years ago I believe so it's not a stretch that they just became myth with time much like the others did.
ETA: didn't think about it but in that story the warring factions really means nothing. Until the long night (4000 years prior) the 7 kingdoms were more like 100 kingdoms, and even after I'm sure the 7 had wars between each other. In "the ice dragon" they make mention of the ice dragon but never the others or any threat from them, this leads me to believe that the winter, the others, and the ice dragon(s) aren't all directly related. The others seem to come way less often ( this is only the 2nd time that we know of ) and maybe the wall prevents any ice dragons from leaving the far far north? Or maybe they are extinct with exception of the one under the wall that keeps it frozen.
This post was edited on 11/9/12 at 5:25 pm
Posted on 11/9/12 at 7:15 pm to CottonWasKing
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Or he could've known that Balon was the only thing keeping the crows eye at bay. Better the devil you know....
That is a good point. Yeah, it was probably a good idea to keep Balon in his place rather than risk someone who doesn't give a damn about anything and is halfway out of his mind.
Posted on 11/9/12 at 7:17 pm to skirpnasty
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There are a few instances that foreshadow things dealing with this. The main thing is when Sansa and Robert are playing in the snow, she has a castle made with snow and he is smashing it with his giant before she rips it's head off. The translation of this is Sansa killing a giant in a castle made of snow. The Erie is just that in the winter and Littlefinger's traditional coat of arms is a giant. So basically Sansa is going to flip the tables on Littlefinger.
Yeah, I agree with this. Littlefinger will either be directly killed by Sansa, or she'll be directly responsible for it.
Posted on 11/9/12 at 8:19 pm to OMLandshark
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Yeah, I agree with this. Littlefinger will either be directly killed by Sansa, or she'll be directly responsible for it.
I just feel like that's what GRRM wants us to think.
Posted on 11/9/12 at 8:45 pm to Carson123987
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I just feel like that's what GRRM wants us to think.
Still, he has been consistent with an arc, unless its supposed to be anti-climatic like Eddard or the Red Viper.
Posted on 11/9/12 at 9:02 pm to OMLandshark
It would be climactic for me since LF is my favorite character 
Posted on 11/9/12 at 9:14 pm to Carson123987
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It would be climactic for me since LF is my favorite character
I'm sorry that you're about to have to deal with the emotion of GRRM killing off your favorite character, but it has happened to most of us at least once. Little finger has ran his course and completed his purpose, Sansa's story is about to start. Fret not though I think we see her die later as well, or she may have a more terrible fate ahead like staying married to Tyrion or wedding the Hound.
This post was edited on 11/9/12 at 9:16 pm
Posted on 11/9/12 at 9:41 pm to skirpnasty
I've been thinking that out of all the Stark children, Sansa is the one most likely to get the happy ending.
Posted on 11/9/12 at 9:51 pm to skirpnasty
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First if you have not everyone should read the 3 short stories (the hedge knight, the sworn sword, and the mystery knight), fantastic reads and are directly tied in with the main story line. In the mystery knight Bloodraven (while hand of the king) explains this. If you kill him someone else will just step up and revolt, it's hard to have a 3rd fake king with the 2nd still alive. Instead you do as they did and take a son or daughter as ransom to ensure their loyalty. Obviously gold and things of material nature are also taken to cripple the rebels.
those are very good
Bloodraven only kept him alive to stop Bittersteel from crowning one of Daemon's other sons as king. If Bloodraven had gotten his hands on Bittersteel, heads would have been on pikes.
Robert could have had Balon and the other leaders of the rebellion take the black and then divided up the Iron Islands between other factions. That way even if Euron came back; he would have trouble uniting all of them together. That would give Robert time to build up his forces and take them again.
Posted on 11/9/12 at 9:53 pm to OMLandshark
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I've been thinking that out of all the Stark children, Sansa is the one most likely to get the happy ending.
The lone wolf dies but the pack survives. Only one I would consider a lone wolf, the others keep thinking back to family while Sansa is only wanting to save herself. Plus her wolf is dead and I believe the Direwolves were a setup by the Greenseer. I'm not saying Sansa will be a bad guy, but I think she could be and Arya may kill her if it comes to it. But naturally I hope that isn't the case and they all live happy.
Posted on 11/9/12 at 9:55 pm to skirpnasty
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Sansa's story is about to start. Fret not though I think we see her die later as well, or she may have a more terrible fate ahead like staying married to Tyrion or wedding the Hound.
Actually, I'd say Sansa is probably the odds on favorite to continue the Stark line long term. It'd have to be her or Rickon.
Posted on 11/9/12 at 10:01 pm to skirpnasty
To clear things up I don't think Sansa will be bad but her wolf dying in place of Arya's could very well be foreshadowing of things to come. A life for a life. The Starks will return to Winterfell according to Jojen Reed, he says Starks in plural.
ETA: Sansa won't be a Stark after she is married and there must always be a Stark in Winterfell. I wouldn't be surprised to see Bran and Rickon back but Rickon definitely will be, and don't forget about Benjen. Plus Robb's will legitimizes Jon so there is a possibility that he doesn't take his claim to the Iron Throne and claims Stark even in the event that he is a Targ.
ETA: Sansa won't be a Stark after she is married and there must always be a Stark in Winterfell. I wouldn't be surprised to see Bran and Rickon back but Rickon definitely will be, and don't forget about Benjen. Plus Robb's will legitimizes Jon so there is a possibility that he doesn't take his claim to the Iron Throne and claims Stark even in the event that he is a Targ.
This post was edited on 11/9/12 at 10:06 pm
Posted on 11/9/12 at 10:49 pm to skirpnasty
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The Starks will return to Winterfell according to Jojen Reed, he says Starks in plural.
Don't see why this is a big deal if Bran and Rickon survive, which I feel pretty confident both will survive the series. Probably the two characters I'm most confident will survive. As far as the Stark children's chance of survival, I'll rank them:
1) Rickon (has to continue the Stark line)
2) Bran
3) Sansa
4) Jon
5) Arya (Just have a feeling she'll die in the final chapters of the last book)
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Plus Robb's will legitimizes Jon so there is a possibility that he doesn't take his claim to the Iron Throne and claims Stark even in the event that he is a Targ.
I seriously doubt that Jon will make a grab to the Iron Throne.
This post was edited on 11/9/12 at 10:52 pm
Posted on 11/9/12 at 11:27 pm to OMLandshark
I hope Euron dies like a bitch. I really don't like him for some reason.
Posted on 11/9/12 at 11:41 pm to Shiftyplus1
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I hope Euron dies like a bitch. I really don't like him for some reason.
Yeah, if I had to rank my top 5 least favorite characters:
1) Joffrey Baratheon
2) Janos Slynt
3) House Frey as a whole
4) Euron Greyjoy
5) Cersei Lannister
Posted on 11/9/12 at 11:47 pm to Shiftyplus1
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I hope Euron dies like a bitch. I really don't like him for some reason.
I don't either. And I think he thinks he has the upper hand on Victarion (I'm 100% convinced the Dusky Woman is one of his operatives). But it's going to end up biting him in the arse.
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