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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS

Posted on 12/8/15 at 10:12 am to
Posted by skirpnasty
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Posted on 12/8/15 at 10:12 am to
Yeah they have some kbvious problems with water. Regardless of freezing everything near them.


Also puts into perspective how damn near impossible taking a untied North/Vale/Riverrun would be.
This post was edited on 12/8/15 at 10:22 am
Posted by BloodSweat&Beers
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Posted on 12/8/15 at 10:25 am to
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Also puts into perspective how damn near impossible taking a untied North/Vale/Riverrun would be.


Why Jon Arryn had to die.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 12/8/15 at 10:45 am to
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Why Jon Arryn had to die.


Well, and he knew the truth about the "Baratheon" heirs.

If he had lived, revealed the truth and told Robert - then Jaime would have been executed, Cersei would have been imprisoned and the children shipped off to Casterly Rock. Robert would have either found a bastard to legitimize or taken a new queen.

But, LF eliminating him, at Cersei's behest, accomplished several goals for his "chaos is a ladder" strategy.

Really only LF, Varys and, to a certain degree, Tyrion, have anything like a decent grasp on what the overall plans of the 2 major factions are.

And that is only because LF is the de facto leader of one faction and Varys is the most important strategist of the other - and Tyrion has enough glimpses of both AND is smart enough to put 2 and 2 together.

Everyone else is cluelessly stumbling down a path forged by someone else.
Posted by Mr. Wayne
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Posted on 12/8/15 at 11:51 am to
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If he had lived, revealed the truth and told Robert - then Jaime would have been executed, Cersei would have been imprisoned and the children shipped off to Casterly Rock. Robert would have either found a bastard to legitimize or taken a new queen


Who does Robert marry in this scenario? Margarey for the Tyrell $ or Arianne for the Dorne military support. He'd kill Tywin and take Casterly Rock's gold as punishment, so he wouldn't be hurting financially. I doubt Dorne would have pushed Arianne though as they had their plan with Viserys at the time. All my time spent thinking on these now are going to the twists and thinking of what would have happened if they went another way.
Posted by Bamatab
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Posted on 12/8/15 at 12:23 pm to
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Everyone else is cluelessly stumbling down a path forged by someone else.

Except for Jon. His going to the Night's Watch has taken him out of the game of thrones, and has allowed him to stumble down his own path where he is discovering the true endgame. It could be argued that he and Sam are the lone characters (outside of the priest and priestesses of the lord of lights) that know what the true endgame is.
This post was edited on 12/8/15 at 1:35 pm
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 12/8/15 at 12:36 pm to
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what the true endgame is.


Fair enough - but this is the "different" game that makes the Game of Thrones irrelevant - or at least irrelevant for now. Those who survive the opening acts AND the real war (against Eternal Winter), can go back to petty provincial squabbling again, and over who fathered whom.
Posted by Mr. Wayne
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Posted on 12/22/15 at 11:27 am to
Ok so reports are the manuscript for Winds has been spotted on set of the show. If this is the case I'm betting we are about to get good news. It may finally be happening.
Posted by Snatchy
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Posted on 12/22/15 at 11:40 am to
Late Feb. for the release is the latest rumor. I'll believe it when I see it.
Posted by Methuselah
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Posted on 12/22/15 at 11:42 am to
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Ok so reports are the manuscript for Winds has been spotted on set of the show. If this is the case I'm betting we are about to get good news. It may finally be happening.

Don't tease us like that.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 12/22/15 at 11:44 am to
When it shows up on Amazon for pre-order then I'll get excited.

Who am I kidding? I'd get emotional over at 2016 release, much less early 2016.
Posted by blueboy
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Posted on 12/22/15 at 11:56 am to
Well, there was that story about the translator being told to make himself available during the month of December. I don't expect to hear anything until after the new year.
Posted by Snatchy
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Posted on 12/22/15 at 11:57 am to
The sighting of the completed manuscript is all over the web. Hopefully it is in editing.
Posted by Mr. Wayne
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Posted on 12/22/15 at 12:06 pm to
I would guess they want to let the Star Wars buzz die down a little to get the full effect of an announcement. I always thought he was "done" back in August when he met with his editors and that it would be released close to Season 6 to get interest at an all time high. This will be the only chance they have to release a novel to coincide with the start of a Season. Missed that opportunity with Dance and I'm damn sure they won't get the chance with Dream.
Posted by bodask42
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Posted on 12/22/15 at 12:11 pm to
Can you link a source or something? I can't find it anywhere, and not on the two main Thrones boards either (WatchersOnTheWall or Westeros.org)
Posted by 19
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Posted on 12/22/15 at 12:16 pm to
Martin has forgotten more about trolling pub dates than we will ever know. I thought the 'to editing in August" was horse manure anyway...but what makes people think this is a completed ms?

Ser 2-Phat has burned me for too long and I'll admit I'm jaded
BUT
I'm with BB. When I can pre-order it, I'll dance.

ETA: completed ms seen on the set, is what I meant.
This post was edited on 12/22/15 at 12:17 pm
Posted by blueboy
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Posted on 12/22/15 at 12:24 pm to
Posted by LucasP
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Posted on 12/22/15 at 12:32 pm to
Not trying to be a Debbie Downer, but Parent Herald and Christian Today put out "new" articles everyday about the release date. It's click bait.
Posted by Mr. Wayne
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Posted on 12/22/15 at 12:42 pm to
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.but what makes people think this is a completed ms?


Because I like having my dreams crushed. I don't care how many times I get burned I will still be thrilled when one of the "bs" stories turns out to be true.
Posted by blueboy
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Posted on 12/22/15 at 12:44 pm to
That was just the top result. There are other articles about the same thing.
Posted by Aubie Spr96
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Posted on 12/26/15 at 2:12 pm to
Rewatching Season 1 today on HBO. Where is Benjen Stark and Syrio?
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