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re: Ubiquiti Unifi layout
Posted on 5/26/20 at 8:08 am to Hulkklogan
Posted on 5/26/20 at 8:08 am to Hulkklogan
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It does when it's not in bridge mode.
You can use that AT&T router and just plug your switches up to it. You'll have to manually add them to AirControl if you want to manage them from the GUI if you do that, but that's up to you.
ETA
Also don't worry about a single point of failure. It's a home network.. if it's really a huge concern for you just buy one extra switch and keep it in the box as a hardware spare.
Thanks hulk. And yea the single point of failure thing.... honestly I would expect the att router to go out well before any ubiquiti items and that will always be My single point of failure. And this is for my home, I'm not done who freaks out if the internet goes down.
I would be concerned about a single point of failure if this was a business or I ran a business out of the house, that would be different. I'm not gonna put cell redundancy or anything so in the end, it's still goes back to the att router. And honestly internet goes out all the time, less so with fiber but it happened, I'm not gonna freak about it.
I'm prolly going to stick with the original design I have laid out or switch to the 24.
Btw email me when you get a chance on my new email lsu777td at gmail
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Posted on 5/26/20 at 9:47 am to lsu777
If you are going to go Ubiquiti and ATT Fiber, you may want to check out this link. Not sure which gateway you are going with, but I went with all Ubiquiti gear and used the USG as my gateway. Try searching for whatever gateway you are looking at to see if possible.
LINK
It essentially takes the PoS ATT Router completely out of the picture. I was doing Bridge mode and still having issues, went with this and it is worlds better. Bridge Mode to ATT doesn't mean what it's supposed to mean, apparently.
I may eventually upgrade the USG to the Dream Machine Pro, but so far the USG is serving me well.
ETA:
My equipment:
USG
Ubiquiti 8 port switch (US-8-60W)
Cloud Key
NanoHD
In-Wall HD
LINK
It essentially takes the PoS ATT Router completely out of the picture. I was doing Bridge mode and still having issues, went with this and it is worlds better. Bridge Mode to ATT doesn't mean what it's supposed to mean, apparently.
I may eventually upgrade the USG to the Dream Machine Pro, but so far the USG is serving me well.
ETA:
My equipment:
USG
Ubiquiti 8 port switch (US-8-60W)
Cloud Key
NanoHD
In-Wall HD
This post was edited on 5/26/20 at 9:51 am
Posted on 5/26/20 at 10:00 am to WavinWilly
Thanks Willy. Will look at that for sure.
Seems really fricking complicated though. If bridge mode doesn't work for the router, couldn't I just change the ssid to Something else and then just set the unifi network up how I want not using the wifi from the router at all?
Seems really fricking complicated though. If bridge mode doesn't work for the router, couldn't I just change the ssid to Something else and then just set the unifi network up how I want not using the wifi from the router at all?
Posted on 5/26/20 at 10:13 am to lsu777
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Seems really fricking complicated though. If bridge mode doesn't work for the router, couldn't I just change the ssid to Something else and then just set the unifi network up how I want not using the wifi from the router at all?
You can use bridge mode and just shut down the wireless radios (it may shut down wifi when you do that anyway - I don't recall). Your Gateway will handle all the routing etc.
I was running into weird issues every evening probably around 9pm where everything just slowed to a crawl. I did some digging and it looks like ATT was probably doing some DPI and I saw some odd DNS behavior. The NAT table would also fill up (and I wasn't torrenting). So I used the method in that link to take that ATT gateway out of the picture.
If you don't see any issues with bridge mode, no need to do it. Just keep it in your back pocket.
Posted on 5/26/20 at 10:26 am to WavinWilly
Awww ok will keep it in mind for sure if I see issues.
Right now I am having issues in current place with the att router somehow interfering with wife and MIL iPhone.
Right now I am having issues in current place with the att router somehow interfering with wife and MIL iPhone.
Posted on 5/26/20 at 11:24 am to WavinWilly
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Not sure which gateway you are going with, but I went with all Ubiquiti gear and used the USG as my gateway. Try searching for whatever gateway you are looking at to see if possible.
Anyone used the Ubiquiti AP with another switch or directly from a router? We were having issues with WiFi coverage, mainly due to home layout. Ours isn't especially large, just 2,200 sq ft, but it is a long rectangle house. I had the modem and router upstairs, centrally located in the house, because we used to sleep in the big bedroom up here and most of the wifi use was streaming on the TV or the phones. I have a TP Link Archer dual band wireless router. I moved that down to my garage, right under my living room on that side of the house, and currently have the TV, my work laptop dock, and another Cat 5 hooked to the router for my wife's Macbook. I haven't run that through the wall yet to hook up to her USB hub, but will soon.
I'm also going to add the Ubiquiti AC Lite AP in our bedroom to cover that end of the house. My thoughts were to have the router and AP at opposite ends. I have a TP Link 8 port switch. My current router only had 4 jacks in it, so with two computers, two firesticks, one TV, an access point, that will leave a little room for future expansion if I need it. Should I run the AP straight from the router, or should it go through the switch first? Didn't think that would make a difference. It is the newer POE version, and it came with the plug in POE adapter.
My hope is that with all of the large devices hardwired in, it frees up space for the phones and tablets, and when my wife is on her laptop away from the desk.
Posted on 5/26/20 at 1:09 pm to lsu777
By UniFi Enterprise Gateway do you mean the UniFi Security Gateway (USG)? UniFi estimates that device is only capable of 85 Mbps with IDS/IPS and DPI enabled. The Dream Machine Pro is the only security gateway that they rate over 1 Gbps.
If I wanted that full 1 Gbps all Ubiquiti experience, I'd build this.
If I wanted that full 1 Gbps all Ubiquiti experience, I'd build this.
Posted on 5/26/20 at 2:59 pm to CarRamrod
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This post was edited on 10/30/20 at 10:29 am
Posted on 5/26/20 at 3:05 pm to TAMU-93
The USG can route at gigabit with DPI but not IDS/IPS or SmartQueues (QoS). If you have symmetrical gigabit you really don't need QoS anyway.
With my USG, I just put firewall rules to block anything incoming from China, Vietnam, India etc.
Ubiquiti announced back in Feb a new gateway line (UXG) which will presumably replace the USG line. The first product will be the UXG-Pro and safe assumption that it is as powerful as the UDM-Pro if not more.
With my USG, I just put firewall rules to block anything incoming from China, Vietnam, India etc.
Ubiquiti announced back in Feb a new gateway line (UXG) which will presumably replace the USG line. The first product will be the UXG-Pro and safe assumption that it is as powerful as the UDM-Pro if not more.
Posted on 5/26/20 at 3:09 pm to TAMU-93
Thanks, appreciate it. But why would I need the 24-poe and the 24 patch panel? The single 24 Poe would be enough to cover all of my Poe and non Poe devices.
Posted on 5/26/20 at 3:19 pm to hollowpoint
quote:you are a nerd and dont need all that. if you want it good for you but dont be the dipshit that comes and tells someone asking for advice to do what you are doing.
Your point is?
Posted on 5/26/20 at 3:40 pm to CarRamrod
Yea I'm not doing a full enterprise system with back up cell service. It's a dang home internet network used for streaming and surfing.
Posted on 5/26/20 at 3:46 pm to lsu777
i didnt think you were. I just wanted to make a point to the Networking geeks that all they stuff isnt necessary for home internet. I have been shopping for a USGpro4 for a while now. best deals im seeing around in the 200 range on ebay(used).
But i want to set up a usg pro, cloud key, and a managed switch for my new house. But it i have run into how i want to mount it all. the server rack sound great but the cost of those are insanely high for a couple angles of aluminum with holes.
Posted on 5/26/20 at 3:55 pm to lsu777
A patch panel isn't a switch. A patch panel is the centralized termination point for your Ethernet runs. It's mostly for organization but also reduces mechanical strain on your cables and expensive switching equipment. You can terminate your cables with an RJ-45 connector and plug that directly into your switch. But the tension in that cable will be constantly pulling at the connector and switch port.
Posted on 5/26/20 at 5:25 pm to TAMU-93
Let's roll back a little bit.
He is not looking to use a rack. Your drawing is nice but is a bit overboard for what he wants.
Sure he could use a patch panel, and it's clean things up and make them easier to label, but it's also unnecessary. As is using anything but a USG unless he wants to use IDP, which he probably doesn't care about.
I'm a network professional and I fully understand geeking out about your home network, but when designing something for someone else you have to keep their needs and wants in mind. You can't always gold plate everything. He just wants the functionality, which his simple design provides and does so cheaply.
One argument for going with a newer product than the USG, say maybe a UDM, is longevity. USG is an old product and the UXG line is coming soon, but really the USG should be fine.
Are you assuming he will be maxing out the length of the cables? Because as long as the cables aren't pulling it's fine.
He is not looking to use a rack. Your drawing is nice but is a bit overboard for what he wants.
Sure he could use a patch panel, and it's clean things up and make them easier to label, but it's also unnecessary. As is using anything but a USG unless he wants to use IDP, which he probably doesn't care about.
I'm a network professional and I fully understand geeking out about your home network, but when designing something for someone else you have to keep their needs and wants in mind. You can't always gold plate everything. He just wants the functionality, which his simple design provides and does so cheaply.
One argument for going with a newer product than the USG, say maybe a UDM, is longevity. USG is an old product and the UXG line is coming soon, but really the USG should be fine.
quote:
You can terminate your cables with an RJ-45 connector and plug that directly into your switch. But the tension in that cable will be constantly pulling at the connector and switch port.
Are you assuming he will be maxing out the length of the cables? Because as long as the cables aren't pulling it's fine.
This post was edited on 5/26/20 at 5:39 pm
Posted on 5/26/20 at 7:54 pm to lsu777
Am I the only person that had bad results with the cloud key? Mine would keep resetting and I would need to restore my backup. Then my sd card failed. Luckily I had a backup on my computer. I'm now using a raspberry pi to run my controller and pi-hole.
How well will an AC Pro do outside under a covered patio? Would the AC-M-Pro be recommended in this case?
How well will an AC Pro do outside under a covered patio? Would the AC-M-Pro be recommended in this case?
Posted on 5/26/20 at 7:57 pm to CubsFanBudMan
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the only person that had bad results with the cloud key? Mine would keep resetting and I would need to restore my backup. Then my sd card failed. Luckily I had a backup on my computer. I'm now using a raspberry pi to run my controller and pi-hole.
I can't speak to this as we have a company cloud controller in AWS so I just have to adopt the USG manually then everything else adopts in the controller.
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How well will an AC Pro do outside under a covered patio? Would the AC-M-Pro be recommended in this case?
As long as they aren't exposed to rain they're fine. They're actually rated as indoor/outdoor APs.
Posted on 5/26/20 at 7:59 pm to Hulkklogan
Yea I think some are going overboard. I'm not totally against a rack but if I do it's going to be to just use one switch like ubiquiti suggested.
And I will go with the newest technology at the time of the buy which will prolly be about next march as I'm not even starting electrical and plumbing rough in for 2-3 weeks.
I like geeking out, hell I'm an engineer we are geeks by definition, but I don't need a full commercial system.
I have 14 hard wired connections plus 5 AP that I want to get as much out of possible which if att fiber is the same as where I am now, is about 300-400mbps. I want wifi across my yard and the 5 APs will accomplish that.
I'm not going to really be monitoring it very much, just a little. I want more of a plug it in and forget it. Pretty much the opposite of a regular router which constantly loses signal in areas of the house, is non existent in the yard and can be spotty at night sometimes.
I feel with running everything to a single point and hard wiring as much as possible plus 5, maybe even a 6th aps, I am covered for any future expansion I may need.
I am taking everyone's input into consideration, but I'm trying to keep it simple. It's a simple home system for a house with three adults and 3 kids under 10. We need to be able to stream seamlessly and be able to enjoy the wifi around the pool. That's pretty much all it is used for, streaming and surfing.
And I will go with the newest technology at the time of the buy which will prolly be about next march as I'm not even starting electrical and plumbing rough in for 2-3 weeks.
I like geeking out, hell I'm an engineer we are geeks by definition, but I don't need a full commercial system.
I have 14 hard wired connections plus 5 AP that I want to get as much out of possible which if att fiber is the same as where I am now, is about 300-400mbps. I want wifi across my yard and the 5 APs will accomplish that.
I'm not going to really be monitoring it very much, just a little. I want more of a plug it in and forget it. Pretty much the opposite of a regular router which constantly loses signal in areas of the house, is non existent in the yard and can be spotty at night sometimes.
I feel with running everything to a single point and hard wiring as much as possible plus 5, maybe even a 6th aps, I am covered for any future expansion I may need.
I am taking everyone's input into consideration, but I'm trying to keep it simple. It's a simple home system for a house with three adults and 3 kids under 10. We need to be able to stream seamlessly and be able to enjoy the wifi around the pool. That's pretty much all it is used for, streaming and surfing.
Posted on 5/26/20 at 8:53 pm to CubsFanBudMan
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Am I the only person that had bad results with the cloud key? Mine would keep resetting and I would need to restore my backup.
When I bought my gen1 Cloud Key two years ago, it used to lock up every few days. It got to the point where I only powered it up if I needed to make a change. Then early last year, I noticed it stopped freezing. One of the firmware updates fixed whatever problem I was having.
How are you powering your CloudKey and do you have gen1 or gen2?
The gen1 is notorious for db corruption issues if it loses power without a graceful shutdown. The gen2 has a battery backup to stop that from happening. I highly recommend having them on a UPS.
Posted on 5/27/20 at 3:20 am to gpburdell
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How are you powering your CloudKey and do you have gen1 or gen2?
Gen1 powered with a unifi switch. I don't remember if it's plugged into a battery port of my UPS or not. I haven't had any issues since moving to the pi controller.
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