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Posted on 10/1/14 at 11:09 am to
Posted by TigerinATL
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Posted on 10/1/14 at 11:09 am to
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With 4096-bit encryption, using wifi locks, etc., are much more secure than actual keys. Just make sure you use a product that has encryption turned on by default.


I realize it's a bit irrational, but everything is cracked eventually, and sometimes serious security holes go unnoticed for decades as we found out with Shell Shock last week.
Posted by Dijkstra
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Posted on 10/1/14 at 11:09 am to
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no, you need to figure out a way to do this from a smartphone and a regular fridge.


With NFC being added to phones every day, it isn't really that difficult. What would cause issues would be finding a decent way to tag the items since they're not already tagged. The biggest issue with the whole thing is how the items being entered are input. Typing it's a pain in the arse until you get most of your "regular items" in. If companies would integrate NFC tags into their products, it'd be as easy as building a simple app to read them and keep track of activity. The business card app I mentioned took maybe 12-14 hours, and that's with an hour or two of issues with the test device. In that time, I got functionality to read and write NFC tags with business card information and phone-to-phone NFC worked, as well, in case you didn't have a tag on you. Just tap and you're done. They're dirt cheap, but writing NFC tags for every single item is worse than typing it is. Figure out an easy way to tag them, and I'll get you in on this one, haha.
Posted by CAD703X
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Posted on 10/1/14 at 11:16 am to
ok you got a fridge & a pantry right?

why not qr codes?

an itty bitty qr reader inside the fridge & inside the panrty.

as you pass a product into fridge (or pantry) it scans it

** time passes ** and you have..the THIRD qr reader!

where? attached to trash lid. everytime you drop something in trash it scans it.

all data stored to your phone. then you have the entry & exit points covered.


eta frick that. just use the UPC code already on every product.
This post was edited on 10/1/14 at 11:17 am
Posted by whodatfan
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Posted on 10/1/14 at 11:19 am to
Posted by Dijkstra
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Posted on 10/1/14 at 11:40 am to
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I realize it's a bit irrational, but everything is cracked eventually, and sometimes serious security holes go unnoticed for decades as we found out with Shell Shock last week.


4096-bit encryption has been broken using side-channel attacks. Supposedly, it wasn't even that difficult. Now, that was with access to the machine without protective measures in place to stop them. Everything can and will be cracked, but it has to be cracked to allow us to see where things went awry.

Personally, I don't think Shellshock is as surprising as everyone makes it out to be. Sure, it's a huge deal, and it's insane that it was out there for so long. With the amount of people with security and hacking skills, it was inevitable that something we all use would have been vulnerable all along. Those reconnaissance don't even take much skill. It's just a gaping vulnerability in software that almost everyone uses (not including the general public with no computer skills or experience). I'd almost wager that the initial "attack" was an accident that they realized could be replicated. Looking at some of the attack methods, they're not complex at all. This isn't a "cracking" issue. It's a "wide open door" issue.

Things like WiFi locks are obviously crackable, but as with everything else, the people who will suffer from it are the ones who put themselves in the line of fire. There are already ways to break into a car wirelessly by intercepting the signal from the keyfob. As with anything else, you have to exercise caution with how you use the technology. If there are multiple levels of authentication (such as device pairing, encryption, and whatnot), it'll be seen as far less enticing to pursue an attack. WiFi is a standard that most of the world uses, and while attacking it isn't terribly hard, it takes some time. The only way it'd be easy enough to quickly break in without some major software flaw or a brute force attack (which would take serious time) is for them to be given access unintentionally.

I just don't have the deep fear that a lot of people I know have. Everything will be hit at some point so you just have to keep yourself as safe as possible and roll with it. The easiest attacks are the ones where you're given access without much work. I've dealt with and learned about security and hacking since I was around 12 years old. Grey hat shite and tinkering with Kali now that I don't have time to keep up with the constant changes of it all. All of that said, I just can't see myself justifying an irrational fear of being targeted. I know what they're capable of. I just think the chance of being hit is unlikely.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 10/1/14 at 11:41 am to
Keep working on it. If NFC is the key you may just need to wait for the right time. We were promised the ability to bypass the checkout in stores in a commercial back in the 90s. If Apple Pay kicks the digital wallet off, then stores might start pushing for a way to get rid of cashiers which would likely mean NFC tags on everything.
Posted by Dijkstra
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Posted on 10/1/14 at 11:45 am to
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all data stored to your phone. then you have the entry & exit points covered.


eta frick that. just use the UPC code already on every product.


I wrote a RESTful API to store the data using Node and Angular. All current data is stored both in a DB in the phone and in the cloud in the case of getting a new phone.

As for the UPC code, I looked into it, as I said. The technology for barcode scanning in phone is a pain in the arse, and the cost of using the API for the product information is far too high for something like this. The more I discuss it, the more I realize that typing it in for the first instance of an item and keeping the info stored for quick entry later is the best way to do it until NFC is in everything under the Sun.
Posted by ForeLSU
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Posted on 10/1/14 at 10:23 pm to
Good discussion. Of course the real power of the IoT is when humans aren't necessarily involved. For example, a set of sensors at an intersection detects that traffic has slowed and emergency vehicles are in route. A gas station at the intersection prior responds by lowering gas prices by a nickel and tweets out "Free Coffee with a Fill-Up".

Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 10/1/14 at 10:48 pm to
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I realize it's a bit irrational, but everything is cracked eventually, and sometimes serious security holes go unnoticed for decades as we found out with Shell Shock last week.

While you're worried about someone cracking your smart deadbolt, all a thief has to do is bump your standard deadbolt.

Or just toss a rock through a window.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61663 posts
Posted on 10/2/14 at 9:24 am to
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Things like WiFi locks are obviously crackable, but as with everything else, the people who will suffer from it are the ones who put themselves in the line of fire.


That's why I'm a bit leery of them. The average person with wireless door locks is probably going to be in the upper class neighborhoods. What is the more likely criminal element they'll run across? A thug from the hood that can pick locks who traveled all the way across town to their neighborhood, or a script kiddie teenager with too much time on his hands? It still may be a very small probability, but I think the people with these locks would have more exposure to someone with a cracking app than lock picking skills.
This post was edited on 10/2/14 at 9:25 am
Posted by colorchangintiger
Dan Carlin
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 10/2/14 at 9:26 am to
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While you're worried about someone cracking your smart deadbolt, all a thief has to do is bump your standard deadbolt.

Or just toss a rock through a window.



Yep. Or use a crowbar.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61663 posts
Posted on 10/2/14 at 9:40 am to
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Yep. Or use a crowbar.


First, I was upfront that the fear is irrational. Second, any kind of lock can be bypassed with enough brute force, so I think the discussion should be limited to the lock's pickability, which again leads me back to my presumption of more exposure to lock hackers than lock pickers even though exposure to either group is significantly lower than exposure to people with crowbars, rocks and battering rams.
Posted by GoldenSombrero
Member since Sep 2010
2651 posts
Posted on 10/2/14 at 11:47 am to
Yep this tech already exists in hospitals. Most have Med/Supply cabinets that automatically scan the RFID code on the label when things are added and removed. Some even automatically order more product when below a certain level.
Posted by hikingfan
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 10/2/14 at 6:00 pm to
How do you guys envision a "Smart City/Smart Civilization" looking at it from the Internet of Things point of view?

Let's consider just 4 examples:

Vehicles:
I see smart vehicles that drive themselves, some with passengers and some without. There will hardly be any accidents. If there are, both vehicles will exchange insurance information wirelessly. Cars fill themselves up with gar or charge or whatever they use for energy. All cars are connected to the city's smart traffic network grid and can change routes in real time to avoid traffic.

Homes:
You can control literally every appliance in your home or let them make smart decisions on their own. A refrigerator sends your a text message when it realizes you are at the grocery store. You forget something cooking on the stove and you tell your stove to turn off from your smart phone. Left the iron on and fear that might burn the house down? Just turn if off remotely. The possibilities are endless...

Shipping and delivery:
In addition to regular delivery trucks, mail vans etc., there will be drones flying around delivering stuff. Live on a high rise and don't feel like going to the roof or down to the ground level to pick up your package, the drone hovers next to your balcony and you just take delivery right outside your living room. The next day another drone shows up with your weekly groceries, but you are stuck in the toilet after eating 3 Doritos Locos Tacos at Taco Bell and in no position to meet the drone. No problem. Just ask the drone to hand over the groceries to your CP3 who will then make sure everything goes where it needs to go - refrigerator, pantry etc.

Wearables:
Your shoes talks to your smartphone and tell you when to turn right or left since it knows where your are going. Your protein shaker knows how much protein your had after your work out. Your smart watch talks to your shaker bottle and when it realizes its been 30 mins after your workout and you still haven't had your shake, it will alert you. Your workout clothes monitors all your vitals, how long you worked out, how many calories you burned etc.

I can see almost limitless possibilities with everything around you connected to the internet and having a way to talk to each other and send you alters at the right time. My head is spinning here just thinking about this.

Other thoughts?
This post was edited on 10/2/14 at 6:03 pm
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