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re: The day finally arrived, Samsung to Apple
Posted on 4/20/22 at 10:46 am to DoubleDown
Posted on 4/20/22 at 10:46 am to DoubleDown
quote:Yes. I have bought probably a dozen iPhones for wife and child. My phones have hindered our communication zero.
You’re amazed that grown men use a product that allows them more seamless communication with their wives and their kids?
quote:I am now only because of brain cancer.
Tell me you’re a single male without telling me you’re a single male…
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Posted on 4/20/22 at 11:24 am to AlxTgr
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I am now only because of brain cancer.
Sheesh. Assuming this is true, sorry man. Was clearly meant as a joke. Yours may be too but I'll lean on the side of believing you.
Meh, both are good products. Both need each other to keep inventing and providing us all quality products.
Posted on 4/20/22 at 11:33 am to DoubleDown
quote:I wasn't offended. Frikin Glioblastoma. Just explaining why I am single.
Sheesh. Assuming this is true, sorry man
Posted on 4/21/22 at 9:35 am to LSURep864
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The openness of android, while leading to more jank, especially in third party apps. Is also the strength of it being able to use AOSP as a base means you are basically in control of your phone.
Were you in control when google let apps read your text messages and listen to your voicemails?
Doesn't sound like it.
Posted on 4/21/22 at 10:36 am to efrad
It's so fricked up that Apple hasn't made a web client for iMessage yet. Google made one for Messages years ago and it's so simple and easy, and makes life so much nicer when you're on a computer, any OS.
I know Apple loves their walled garden, but they can find ways to gatekeep the web version.
I know Apple loves their walled garden, but they can find ways to gatekeep the web version.
Posted on 4/21/22 at 11:30 am to j1897
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Were you in control when google let apps read your text messages and listen to your voicemails? Doesn't sound like it.
The sheer technical ignorance you are displaying is funny.
In no way, shape or form, can apps gain access to any of that data on modern AOSP. Especially GrapheneOS. Unless you grant permission just like iOS.
Maybe you are speaking of an older version of android in general, or maybe some kind of collection Google themselves were doing.
However on degoogled AOSP android 12 operating system, the only person that controls access to your data is yourself. Period. If you want to argue otherwise, you are whats known as wrong.
iOS has had plenty of bugs, and vulnerabilities themselves. There is no such thing as an OS with no exploits as long as humans write software.
With iOS if Apple decides to implement a backdoor for CSAM, you are simply at the mercy of how they implement it and what they say they scan for. That it will only be scanning for CSAM, and not right wing political memes, etc.
With Android you can unlock your bootloader and load another secure operating system if Google tried to do that.
I've been more than fair enough to both Operating systems if you read my other post on this thread. Both have strengths. I use both every single day.
I'm just not some ignorant caveman like yourself insulting people over things you don't even really understand.
Here is a place to start educating yourself
This post was edited on 4/21/22 at 11:33 am
Posted on 4/21/22 at 1:58 pm to LSURep864
Best and worst thing about Apple is their integration.
It's really great and I take nothing away from them. The problem is that unless you adopt to their ecosystem fully, you lose value with every device that isn't Apple.
I can't foresee a future where my computer is an Apple, so that removes a great bit of the EV+ for an iPhone.
And unless things like AppleTV have changed (where they give you apps and you can't add/remove them), no way I'd ever use that...so the iPhone loses a ton of value there.
As for the phone itself, I think it's copied Google's OS so much the past few iterations the simple shite that was annoying (like not being able to simply make the icons on your screens arranged) has been fixed. Their inferior messaging system (outside of the ecosystem) would also be a detraction. It's also expensive as frick.
It's really great and I take nothing away from them. The problem is that unless you adopt to their ecosystem fully, you lose value with every device that isn't Apple.
I can't foresee a future where my computer is an Apple, so that removes a great bit of the EV+ for an iPhone.
And unless things like AppleTV have changed (where they give you apps and you can't add/remove them), no way I'd ever use that...so the iPhone loses a ton of value there.
As for the phone itself, I think it's copied Google's OS so much the past few iterations the simple shite that was annoying (like not being able to simply make the icons on your screens arranged) has been fixed. Their inferior messaging system (outside of the ecosystem) would also be a detraction. It's also expensive as frick.
Posted on 4/22/22 at 8:53 am to LSURep864
In no way, did i mention, imply, suggest, hint at, fart about, think about, consider, almost bring up, or discuss grapheneOS.
IN NO WAY, WHAT SO EVER. WHAT THE **** ARE YOU ON ABOUT?
IN NO WAY, WHAT SO EVER. WHAT THE **** ARE YOU ON ABOUT?
This post was edited on 4/22/22 at 8:54 am
Posted on 4/22/22 at 9:34 am to j1897
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In no way, did i mention, imply, suggest, hint at, fart about, think about, consider, almost bring up, or discuss grapheneOS.
IN NO WAY, WHAT SO EVER. WHAT THE **** ARE YOU ON ABOUT?
You quoted a post about taking control of your phone by installing AOSP or GrapheneOS, which are both open source and don't come with Google services, and suggested that Google still had that control when you asked "Were you in control when google let apps read your text messages and listen to your voicemails?"
Maybe actually read and comprehend the posts you're quoting before putting others on blast? Kinda makes you look like a complete idiot if you don't.
Posted on 4/22/22 at 9:47 am to efrad
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suggested that Google still had that contro
I absolutely, did not. When there's a thread specifically discussing "android" how is a different OS relevant in any way?
Posted on 4/22/22 at 9:53 am to j1897
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I absolutely, did not. When there's a thread specifically discussing "android" how is a different OS relevant in any way?
You're asking how the Android Open Source Project (AOSP) and the AOSP-based GrapheneOS are relevant to Android?
Still not reading up before replying I see.
Or are you suggesting that Samsung taking AOSP and layering their proprietary stuff on top "is Android" but Daniel McCay taking AOSP and adding his open source hardening layer on top "isn't Android"? And AOSP itself also "isn't Android"?
This post was edited on 4/22/22 at 10:15 am
Posted on 4/22/22 at 10:03 am to efrad
He truly has a dizzying intellect.
Posted on 4/22/22 at 10:12 am to j1897
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I absolutely, did not. When there's a thread specifically discussing "android" how is a different OS relevant in any way?
Your ignorance goes so deep it's astounding. I suggest you tap out.
AOSP is LITERALLY android. That is what Android is.
Android Open Source Project.
Android is an open source operating system that has no Google applications, services, or software installed. Companies like Samsung, Xiaomi, even Google, then take said Operating system and install their apps and services with it.
You literally said Google was letting third parties snoop on data in a reply to me saying I like android because with AOSP you have full control over a device.
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quote: (me) The openness of android, while leading to more jank, especially in third party apps. Is also the strength of it being able to use AOSP as a base means you are basically in control of your phone.
(You) Were you in control when google let apps read your text messages and listen to your voicemails? Doesn't sound like it.
Just admit you don't really understand Android and hate it because you like Apple and have never attempted to understand what Android actually is.
It's fine to like Apple. I'm literally wearing an Apple Watch series 7 right now. I have an iPhone 13 Pro Max on my desk right now.
I also have a Pixel that is always running either Graphene or CalyxOS (Which are AOSP based privacy minded, degoogled Operating systems) sitting on my desk too.
It's okay to point out the flaws of Android, I've done it a lot in this thread, but please do so in a way that actually is valid criticism and not some non sense that is as valid as unicorn's shitting glitter.
Posted on 4/22/22 at 10:40 am to LSURep864
LINK /
Of course, random fanboi on a messageboard knows better.
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The Android Open Source Project is a completely free and open operating system developed by Google. But as you might know, AOSP isn’t actually Android
quote:
David Ruddock
David Ruddock is the Editor in Chief at Esper. He's been using Android for well over a decade — his first smartphone was the Google Nexus One. In his 11 years as a journalist, David has worked with major brands like Google, Samsung, Qualcomm, NVIDIA, Verizon, and Amazon, reviewed hundreds of products, and broken dozens of exclusive stories
Of course, random fanboi on a messageboard knows better.
This post was edited on 4/22/22 at 10:41 am
Posted on 4/22/22 at 10:58 am to j1897
Haha. AOSP is the only part that really is Android. Some journalist saying Android isn't Android until you tack on Google Services doesn't change that at all.
And yeah I do think the opinions of tech journalists writing for the general public are beneath me. You don't? If you don't then you reveal your ignorance in this area in which we have direct real experience.
But even if one assumed that AOSP or GrapheneOS aren't Android, your original reply in that context still demonstrates you didn't understand what he was talking about in the first place.
ETA: Also, I use GrapheneOS with sandboxed Google Services, so according to that journalist that would make it Android again. Just with sandboxes/firewalls that block the surveillance you were originally bringing up.
As for fanboi. I've owned 7 or 8 iPhones purchased from 2007 through 2021.
My very first Android phone purchase was the Pixel 6 in fall 2021.
And yeah I do think the opinions of tech journalists writing for the general public are beneath me. You don't? If you don't then you reveal your ignorance in this area in which we have direct real experience.
But even if one assumed that AOSP or GrapheneOS aren't Android, your original reply in that context still demonstrates you didn't understand what he was talking about in the first place.
ETA: Also, I use GrapheneOS with sandboxed Google Services, so according to that journalist that would make it Android again. Just with sandboxes/firewalls that block the surveillance you were originally bringing up.
As for fanboi. I've owned 7 or 8 iPhones purchased from 2007 through 2021.
My very first Android phone purchase was the Pixel 6 in fall 2021.
This post was edited on 4/22/22 at 11:38 am
Posted on 4/22/22 at 11:19 am to j1897
quote:
Of course, random fanboi on a messageboard knows better.
Honestly his credentials aren't much more impressive than mine.
He's just some blogger journalist type, even if you grant his premise for argument sake. (which you clearly just did some google ninja search and posted this reply and are posting this random guy as some authority.)
Granting the premise you contend (That AOSP is not Android), My post that you replied to stated
quote:
The openness of android, while leading to more jank, especially in third party apps. Is also the strength of it being able to use AOSP as a base means you are basically in control of your phone.
To which YOU replied
quote:
Were you in control when google let apps read your text messages and listen to your voicemails? Doesn't sound like it.
So to summarize when I said using AOSP as a base for my phone gives me control, your response was HUR DUR GOOGLE DATA COLLECTION OTHER APPS READING TEXT AND VOICE MAIL.
At the very least admit you clearly didn't read my original post that replied to, because your reply about Google lettings apps read voicemail and text is a Billy Madison level incoherent response.
Because frankly, YES I WAS IN CONTROL. Google doesn't exist on my device. So to answer your question yes, AOSP gave me control.
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Of course, random fanboi on a messageboard knows better.
Yes such an Android fanboi that I'm wearing an LTE Stainless Steel Apple Watch series 7 and have an iPhone 13 Pro Max. Also have two apple tvs at my house. Also with my airpods pro sitting on my desk... with my multiple airtags I use, With my entire family who all uses iPhone and I wouldn't dare recommend them an other device.
Yes I'm the one sided fanboy. Very logical.
This post was edited on 4/22/22 at 11:27 am
Posted on 4/22/22 at 11:59 am to Hulkklogan
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It's so fricked up that Apple hasn't made a web client for iMessage yet. Google made one for Messages years ago and it's so simple and easy, and makes life so much nicer when you're on a computer, any OS.
I know Apple loves their walled garden, but they can find ways to gatekeep the web version.
yep and even tho I have an Ipad pro, I also use a samsung S8 Ultra and on that I get text notifications
Posted on 4/22/22 at 12:31 pm to Hulkklogan
quote:
It's so fricked up that Apple hasn't made a web client for iMessage yet. Google made one for Messages years ago and it's so simple and easy, and makes life so much nicer when you're on a computer, any OS.
I know Apple loves their walled garden, but they can find ways to gatekeep the web version.
Agreed completely. This was the major reason it took me so long to consider trying a product outside of their ecosystem. They know it and I know they know it so I decided to do what it takes to leave the abusive relationship.
I would highly encourage anyone who is tech savvy and feels held hostage by iMessage to consider setting up a BlueBubbles server like I mentioned earlier in the thread. While it sucks that it requires an old Mac, I think a couple hundred bucks to solve this problem is well worth it, as pathetic for Apple as that sounds. And there is an advantage in requiring an old Mac instead of writing a new reverse engineered client -- it's just a relay hooking into the private APIs of iMessage/macOS itself with System Integrity Protection turned off. Apple can't break it without breaking iMessage on all of those old but still relevant machines, so it's a pretty permanent solution.
Posted on 4/22/22 at 3:58 pm to efrad
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It's so fricked up that Apple hasn't made a web client for iMessage yet. Google made one for Messages years ago and it's so simple and easy, and makes life so much nicer when you're on a computer, any OS.
I know Apple loves their walled garden, but they can find ways to gatekeep the web version.
Agreed completely. This was the major reason it took me so long to consider trying a product outside of their ecosystem. They know it and I know they know it so I decided to do what it takes to leave the abusive relationship.
Google makes their revenues by giving away everything for free and then data mining the shite out of you. Apple doesn't, so why should they drop the gates?
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