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re: The BETTER WI-FI and Home Networking Thread

Posted on 9/30/22 at 7:38 am to
Posted by BabySam
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Posted on 9/30/22 at 7:38 am to
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Anyone know anything about Link Aggregation?


My recollection is that aggregation is more for larger environments to offload some switching/routing load from the switch/router. Not generally meant for most endpoints, but for devices that have high I/O requests. Like a NAS with dual NICs can be teamed for increasing throughput from device to backbone. So in short, you really wouldnt see improvement in a residential or small business setup; and as others have said your consumer devices wouldnt even support it.
Posted by Trauma14
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 9/30/22 at 3:43 pm to
I went the mesh route and still don't have great success. I am using Asus mesh devices.

I am in the process of running two high speed gigabit cat7 cables from the router into the attic space to install 2 ubiquiti access points in the ceilings. I have a single level home and easy access to the attic area.

Obviously wired APs are even better than wireless mesh systems so I am excited to see my new speeds once they are installed.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 9/30/22 at 3:55 pm to
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I went the mesh route and still don't have great success. I am using Asus mesh devices.
Can you detail your experience? Do your wifi devices show a strong signal but the speed is still slow, or do your wifi devices show a weak signal?
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I am in the process of running two high speed gigabit cat7 cables from the router into the attic space to install 2 ubiquiti access points in the ceilings. I have a single level home and easy access to the attic area.

Obviously wired APs are even better than wireless mesh systems so I am excited to see my new speeds once they are installed.
Long-term the benefits of APs installed on the ceiling far outweigh the initial cost IMO. The APs themselves are cheap and perform extremely well, it's just the running of the cable that adds cost especially if you don't DIY.
This post was edited on 9/30/22 at 3:58 pm
Posted by Trauma14
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Posted on 9/30/22 at 5:09 pm to
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Can you detail your experience? Do your wifi devices show a strong signal but the speed is still slow, or do your wifi devices show a weak signal?



The mesh devices cycle themselves every now and then causing devices connected to them to lose signal randomly. Internet speeds are not as good as what I pay for. One issue I already found was the data line that connects to the fiber connection at the house is cat5 which is old and can't handle gigabit. I'm replacing that too.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 9/30/22 at 5:43 pm to
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The mesh devices cycle themselves every now and then causing devices connected to them to lose signal randomly.
Do you think they are rebooting or possibly losing connection to each other? They might be too far apart. Just as a very rough rule of thumb, don't put them further apart than 50', and knock 10' off for every wall between them.

Another probably better way to do it is to unplug all units except the main one connected the modem, and assuming if you're near enough to that one you get good signal and speeds, move as far away from it as you can while still getting good signal and speed, then place another unit there. Repeat for additional units.

I thought most of the mesh apps helped with placement. Maybe check that out, and if it doesn't help with placement or if you just can't get it to work well, I might have to add Asus mesh systems as one to avoid.
This post was edited on 9/30/22 at 6:30 pm
Posted by gpburdell
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Posted on 9/30/22 at 5:56 pm to
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Internet speeds are not as good as what I pay for.


I assume you are talking about wifi speed and not hardwired speeds. I've got ATT gigabit fiber using multiple hardwired Unifi APs.

I get ~225 Mbps on 5Ghz wifi which is by design as I limit my APs to 40 Mhz channels. My wifi is rock solid and rarely have any connection issues, dropouts etc.

To get faster speeds you have to increase channel width but that makes your wifi more susceptible to interference. This is even a bigger problem if you have multiples APs as it's harder to avoid channel overlap. This applies to mesh systems as well.

Unless you're doing huge data transfer over wifi, you don't really need blazing bandwidth. A 4K video stream only needs ~25 Mbps.

Also, I've configured my APs to kick a device if the signal gets too weak. This forces the device to make a new connection to an AP; ideally one with a better signal. This way a device doesn't hang on to an AP if signal gets bad.
Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 9/30/22 at 8:49 pm to
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wouldnt see improvement in a residential or small business setup; and as others have said



To beat the dead horse over and over again, redundantly, if you really only get 10/100 from your Cat5, you could use your coax with MoCa adapters for 10/100/1000 connection (as opposed to 200mbps with linking a pair of cat5 cables). But you will probably are fine with 10/100 backhaul for all practical home applications.
This post was edited on 9/30/22 at 8:50 pm
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 9/30/22 at 9:19 pm to
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But you will probably are fine with 10/100 backhaul for all practical home applications.
I've always felt the same in the past, however I think NAS use has been on the rise with people making youtube videos and possibly trying to move their cloud stuff locally, and 100mbit can be very limiting when working with and managing all that data.
Posted by Trauma14
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 10/3/22 at 9:49 am to
I think they are rebooting. I see them show "offline" while monitoring the app. I would stay away from Asus mesh devices going forward. Yesterday, I ran a 100' cable under some rugs and hardwired one of the mesh APs to make it a wired AP. Internet connectivity was way better. I am excited now to finish the wired AP project in the attic.
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