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Tell me about you home audio systems, and DIY?

Posted on 7/5/23 at 1:09 pm
Posted by Sir Saint
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 1:09 pm
I’m thinking about putting some in-ceiling speakers for 2 zones: patio and living room (both ceilings easily accessible via attic). Have plenty of related questions. Is this pretty feasible as a DIY project? I’m kinda paranoid about cutting a giant hole in my ceiling but did see they make hole saws for this, which eases the anxiety slightly. Anyone who’s done this before, would appreciate tips. Also what’s the ideal Amplifier/receiver location? I’m guessing if it’s in a convenient location (living room) then I’d have to run wires through the wall which is not ideal and probably out of my wheelhouse. I’m no audiophile but I don’t want chinese junk either, recs on speakers and/or amps/receivers? Any other thoughts or insight appreciated.
Posted by VABuckeye
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 1:16 pm to
The speakers will come with templates to cut the holes. Just use a drywall saw.
Posted by Korkstand
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 1:30 pm to
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Is this pretty feasible as a DIY project?
I would say so if you're reasonably handy.
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I’m kinda paranoid about cutting a giant hole in my ceiling
Like I always tell my wife, it's only sheetrock.
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did see they make hole saws for this, which eases the anxiety slightly.
I would probably just use a cheap manual drywall saw.
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would appreciate tips
Lay out the hole from in the attic to avoid joists etc., and drill one or more tiny holes through to landmark. Cut the actual hole from below to avoid blowing out the sheetrock paper on the finished side. Vacuum the dust while sawing.
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I’d have to run wires through the wall which is not ideal and probably out of my wheelhouse
It's harder than coming through the ceiling but not too bad. You will need the wires and equipment near a power outlet, but don't run your speaker wires between the same two studs as the 110v. Locate where the romex for the outlet comes out the top plate in the attic, measure 16" over in either direction and drill a new hole for your speaker wires. You will need a spade/paddle bit or an auger bit for this. If the romex for that outlet doesn't come straight up and through the top plate, push a wire hanger or similar through the ceiling right next to the crown molding to make a landmark in the attic for where you want to come through the top plate. You can also do this to initially mark the speaker locations if you can't determine where they should go from inside the attic only. Be aware of interior features like trim while laying things out in the attic.

Cut a hole in the sheetrock where the wires will come out, drop the wires through the top plate hole and cross your fingers that there's no fire blocking in there. If there is blocking, you can either come out of the wall with your wires above it if that won't be trashy for your setup, or pop through the blocking with a flexible cable installer bit.

Oh and if you plan to put your gear against an exterior (insulated) wall, choose a new location or hire it out.
This post was edited on 7/5/23 at 1:48 pm
Posted by VABuckeye
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 1:42 pm to
I'll add use blue tape to secure the template. Measure from the front wall to the front of the template and match on the other template. If you're centering from the side wall match those distances as well. Closer to the front wall will give you better bass response as the wall reinforces the sound. Just putting them dead center in a room can lead to anemic bass.
Posted by Sir Saint
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 6:22 pm to
This was incredibly helpful, thank you.
Posted by Sir Saint
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 7:19 pm to
Anyone have suggestion on some mid range equipment that’s not total junk but also not top of the line/$$$$?
Posted by VABuckeye
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 7:34 pm to
Budget?
Posted by tes fou
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 9:55 pm to
I have klipsch speakers in ceiling with a Dennon receiver and a JL sub. A klipsch sub would be a much more reasonable cost option to match speakers. I’d probably go Yamaha next time instead of dennon but overall it’s a good setup.
Posted by Sir Saint
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 11:24 pm to
Maybe like $200/speaker? For amp/receiver I haven’t really priced anything to don’t know how much those run.

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tes fou

Thx for the recs, good jumping off point for me.
Posted by baseballmind1212
Missouri City
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 7/6/23 at 7:02 am to
You can get pretty solid ceiling ceiling speakers off crutchfield for less than 100/speaker.

OP if your diying look into doing an in wall center channel. Recently did this at my house and it made a HUGE difference in conversations in movies or play by play on live sports.

Denon receiver is best budget option. You can buy certified used off Amazon or direct from denons website and usually save a couple bucks.
Posted by AlxTgr
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Posted on 7/6/23 at 9:38 am to
I have a set up similar to what you're talking about. I bought the receiver I am using initially because of the bluetooth feature. It's a nothing special Pioneer stereo receiver. I say that, but I would not change a thing, and I have done a lot of research to see if I should.

The receiver sits hidden in a cabinet in my den. That's where all the in ceiling and patio wiring ends up. The wiring goes to a speaker selector then volume controls for each set of speakers-two on the patio. I am using a chromecast audio( there are other streamers for other services like the WiiM mini and pro) and I never have to deal with the receiver unless the power goes out. I just fire up my music app or tell my google assistant to play something. It's a beautiful thing. Even the tech-challenged new wife can use it.
Posted by BuzzdLightBeer
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 7/9/23 at 7:18 am to
Monoprice has good cheap in wall/ceiling speakers
Posted by j1897
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 7/9/23 at 11:13 am to
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I’m no audiophile but I don’t want chinese junk either


Slapping some speakers in the drywall is gonna sound pretty arse regardless. Might as well get as cheap as you can.

They need a box and be mounted to the joists. If you can't do that, i wouldn't even bother installing them.
Posted by MDB
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Posted on 7/9/23 at 8:29 pm to
Well, I installed four high-end Klipsch ceiling speakers — about $250 each — and they sound “badass” and not “arse”.

You won’t go wrong with a Marantz or Yamaha receiver. SVS makes quality subs. As for any other speakers there is a world of great sound out there.

Trouble is that you are wanting advice on a product you know absolutely nothing about. Do a little homework by visiting a place like the Magnolia Store at Best Buy. Hear ‘em and price ‘em yourself. When you’ve got a handle on your budget and taste, then come back and ask about reliability, etc.

Go ahead, have fun, planning and putting the system together is a lot of the enjoyment.
Posted by Sir Saint
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Posted on 7/10/23 at 9:52 am to
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Trouble is that you are wanting advice on a product you know absolutely nothing about.


fair enough, thx for the input all
Posted by LSUDbrous90
Lafayette
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 7/11/23 at 9:12 am to
Looking to eventually do something similar to this/OP but with room for expansion to other zones too. I would like to start with a 2 zone (inside living room/kitchen and outside patio) but with options to add zones like master bedroom or elsewhere. I want easy smart phone functionality that is wife proof where she can say I want to listen to spotify in the kitchen and its done. One question I do have is how easy is it to integrate TV sound to this so for instance if I want the outside zone to play outside tv sound while the inside plays spotify?
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
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Posted on 7/11/23 at 9:37 am to
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Might as well get as cheap as you can.


This is awful advice.
Posted by deuceiswild
South La
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:42 am to
I use separate AB receivers for indoors and outdoors.

Marantz and Yamaha are good receivers and you can find decent deals on them sometimes. You don’t need the latest greatest models.

I’ll say this tho, if I had to choose I’d go with the Yamaha because of the app. AV receiver remotes are huge and you’ll only use a half dozen of the hundred buttons on them. Much easier to use your app to control them.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
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Posted on 7/12/23 at 1:18 pm to
This is one of the things I love about Chromecast. It's as if my receiver isn't even there. I do everything with either the home app or my music apps.
Posted by G Vice
Lafayette, LA
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 7/12/23 at 5:42 pm to
Speaking of apps, Denon also has a nice app for smartphones.

My Denon is hard-wired to my router, and of course, I use iphone on wifi to control all zones easily.
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