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Suggestions for a hidden camera to help catch potentially stealing employee
Posted on 6/13/18 at 8:48 pm
Posted on 6/13/18 at 8:48 pm
So long story short I bought a business in November and kept the one employee over from the previous owner and I'm pretty sure he was stealing from the old owner and currently me
Without giving out too many details I need a small, discreet camera that can record to a small DVR or SD card as I don't have wifi access where I need to film but it doesn't have to have high storage space or run very often, motion triggered would be best. It needs to run off a battery as there isn't immediate power access but it doesn't have to be water proof or anything. It is not an office environment so a lot of the spy cameras I see out there such as alarm clocks will not work.
I've found one on Amazon that may do what I need I just hate to drop $40 on something then it turn out to be a piece of junk. The OT may be better for this but I'd much rather find my answer here if possible TIA
Here's the link to the one I was looking at LINK
Without giving out too many details I need a small, discreet camera that can record to a small DVR or SD card as I don't have wifi access where I need to film but it doesn't have to have high storage space or run very often, motion triggered would be best. It needs to run off a battery as there isn't immediate power access but it doesn't have to be water proof or anything. It is not an office environment so a lot of the spy cameras I see out there such as alarm clocks will not work.
I've found one on Amazon that may do what I need I just hate to drop $40 on something then it turn out to be a piece of junk. The OT may be better for this but I'd much rather find my answer here if possible TIA
Here's the link to the one I was looking at LINK
Posted on 6/13/18 at 9:14 pm to Wishnitwas1998
I see why you’d want to do this but on a personal level I’m not a fan. I’d install cameras but not hidden ones. If you believe it’s a single employee, why not talk to them first? Or worst case, just fire them?
Posted on 6/13/18 at 9:21 pm to DoubleDown
Well it's complicated and like I said I don't want to give away too many details on the off chance he sees this but if he's the type to steal I want to know it so I can shitcan him. Sure I could talk to him and he will deny it and stop this particular act but if he's a thief he will just find another way to steal and I don't want him working for me
The reason I don't just fire him right off is that he's pretty good at his job overall and there aren't many ppl in my area that possess his skill sets so he will be pretty hard if not impossible to replace. Not to mention there may be a perfectly reasonable explanation for what is raising my suspicions but it's unlikely and I need to be sure
There's only one very small room square footage wise that he could be stealing from me in so a camera will end all doubts
FTR the camera will be in a very work specific place and will not record any type of personal behavior if that concerns you
The reason I don't just fire him right off is that he's pretty good at his job overall and there aren't many ppl in my area that possess his skill sets so he will be pretty hard if not impossible to replace. Not to mention there may be a perfectly reasonable explanation for what is raising my suspicions but it's unlikely and I need to be sure
There's only one very small room square footage wise that he could be stealing from me in so a camera will end all doubts
FTR the camera will be in a very work specific place and will not record any type of personal behavior if that concerns you
Posted on 6/13/18 at 9:52 pm to Wishnitwas1998
does your employee handbook talk about using video to monitor employees? may want to check with your HR/Legal and make sure it is ok. Some states have crazy laws where you can record video but not audio, etc... along with some areas of the business they would have a reasonable expectation of privacy.
This post was edited on 6/13/18 at 10:01 pm
Posted on 6/13/18 at 10:04 pm to diat150
The good thing is if he isn't caught recording he can just fire the guy and not say why.
This post was edited on 6/13/18 at 10:05 pm
Posted on 6/13/18 at 10:06 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
until the guy wants unemployment and he says no he doesnt get it I got video of him stealing.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 10:10 pm to diat150
Deny til you die.
Haven't you learned anything?
Haven't you learned anything?
This post was edited on 6/13/18 at 10:11 pm
Posted on 6/14/18 at 12:44 am to Teddy Ruxpin
1. I think y'all are overestimating the size of my business lol. He is literally my only enployeee and he's a glorified janitor who does some relatively intensive maintenance
2. The cameras I've seen do not record audio as in most states that is illegal
3. IF I catch him in the act I do not plan on telling him how I know. We live in a small town and he's taking the money I suspect he is stealing straight to the local bank and ppl have told me they have seen him doing it (he's apparently not very bright) so I have plenty of ways to explain me finding out outside of a camera
4. I'll just say it, it's a self serve car wash so he's taking large sums of quarters up to the bank and depositing them in his own account on a somewhat regular basis and we are talking up above $300 in quarters each time. He has other business ventures such as being a licensed plumber for the water department but no other explanation that I or anyone else I can trust to ask about it know of for him acquiring this volume of quarters on a regular basis. I'm trying not to jump to conclusions and as I said it would make him an INCREDIBLY stupid thief to take them to the very bank he has seen me at and knows I do business at but I simply can't come up with much other explanation. Though bc of what I mentioned earlier I'd like to know for sure before I get rid of him bc he will be difficult to replace.
2. The cameras I've seen do not record audio as in most states that is illegal
3. IF I catch him in the act I do not plan on telling him how I know. We live in a small town and he's taking the money I suspect he is stealing straight to the local bank and ppl have told me they have seen him doing it (he's apparently not very bright) so I have plenty of ways to explain me finding out outside of a camera
4. I'll just say it, it's a self serve car wash so he's taking large sums of quarters up to the bank and depositing them in his own account on a somewhat regular basis and we are talking up above $300 in quarters each time. He has other business ventures such as being a licensed plumber for the water department but no other explanation that I or anyone else I can trust to ask about it know of for him acquiring this volume of quarters on a regular basis. I'm trying not to jump to conclusions and as I said it would make him an INCREDIBLY stupid thief to take them to the very bank he has seen me at and knows I do business at but I simply can't come up with much other explanation. Though bc of what I mentioned earlier I'd like to know for sure before I get rid of him bc he will be difficult to replace.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 1:27 am to Wishnitwas1998
It's prime, get it and if you don't like it return it within 30 days.. just be sure to check the box saying item is defective\not acting as you expected.. don't put just changed mind or they will charge you return shipping. It's incredibly simple returning items on Amazon prime.
Any ways, I think you absolutely should try to catch him in the act or whoever it is.. People talking about legal stuff don't recognize you just want to know for sure so you can fire him. I don't think you are looking to take him to court over it all, although maybe you might.. but most importantly is you don't want to employ someone who is stealing.. so definitely go for it.
Wish I knew the best set-up for you, but you'll figure it out. Keep us posted how it goes.
Maybe you can be more detailed about the situation once you find the answers you need. I'm definitely interested as to how his skill-set is hard to replace.
Any ways, I think you absolutely should try to catch him in the act or whoever it is.. People talking about legal stuff don't recognize you just want to know for sure so you can fire him. I don't think you are looking to take him to court over it all, although maybe you might.. but most importantly is you don't want to employ someone who is stealing.. so definitely go for it.
Wish I knew the best set-up for you, but you'll figure it out. Keep us posted how it goes.
Maybe you can be more detailed about the situation once you find the answers you need. I'm definitely interested as to how his skill-set is hard to replace.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 1:56 am to beauchristopher
quote:
.. People talking about legal stuff don't recognize you just want to know for sure so you can fire him. I don't think you are looking to take him to court over it all, although maybe you might.. but most importantly is you don't want to employ someone who is stealing.. so definitely go for it.
Exactly
And believe it or not, car wash maintenance can be pretty unique. You can find ppl who are capable of it but they generally are making much more money doing something else and don't have the time/desire to do it on the side like my current guy does
I'm capable of it but I'm busy enough handling another car wash I own, a farming operation, and some rental properties
Posted on 6/14/18 at 7:32 am to Wishnitwas1998
quote:
he's pretty good at his job overall and there aren't many ppl in my area that possess his skill sets so he will be pretty hard if not impossible to replace.
Then don't fire him and just accept that if he's stealing that he'll get away with it.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 7:54 am to foshizzle
quote:
Then don't fire him and just accept that if he's stealing that he'll get away with it.
This.
It sounds like you really don’t want to fire the guy, but you’re questioning his morality and whether you want that type of person working for you.
Most theft is simply a crime of opportunity. Do you have no other way of accounting to identify the loss of $300?
A lot of car washes suffer theft or vandalism from non-employees. Having security cameras is not a bad idea and fairly common. Let it be known you’re aware of the theft and will be removing any opportunity for it. If he’s just a glorified janitor, I can’t imagine there’s much else to steal from the location. Knowledge of his personality and mitigation of his opportunity should solve your issue.
Personally, assuming you have some accounting practice confirming a theft with knowledge of him depositing large sums of quarters, I’d fire him now. Without cameras.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 8:09 am to LSUtigerME
Seems like it'd just be easier to revoke his access to the cash first, then monitor things for a while. But I don't know, it's not my business.
As for the question, perhaps just a small game camera from a sporting goods store will do the trick. Motion detection, stores on a memory stick, battry powered, etc.
As for the question, perhaps just a small game camera from a sporting goods store will do the trick. Motion detection, stores on a memory stick, battry powered, etc.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 8:33 am to The Spleen
I was thinking a blink camera from Amazon.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 8:44 am to Hu_Flung_Pu
Could he simply be keeping all the change that's sucked up into the vaccuum cleaners?
Posted on 6/14/18 at 9:43 am to Wishnitwas1998
Be very careful where you put this camera.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 10:06 am to TigerWise
quote:like dont put it in the toilet?
Be very careful where you put this camera.
Posted on 6/14/18 at 12:27 pm to The Spleen
quote:
Seems like it'd just be easier to revoke his access to the cash first, then monitor things for a while. But I don't know, it's not my business.
Well as I said I bought I in November and this guy was pretty much given free reign from the previous owner who was as big of an absent T owner as it gets so the issue here is yea I was supposedly given all of the manager's keys to stuff but he easily could've kept a set without me knowing. So yes I can lock everything up and restrict his access but he could have a set of keys idk about that remove that obstacles
This manager put up a nice camera system two years ago under the previous owner but very convienently didn't put any cameras inside the equipment room where most of the action happens
And before it's suggested car wash locks aren't like other locks, to change all the locks would likely cost upwards of $2,000
Posted on 6/14/18 at 12:47 pm to Wishnitwas1998
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the previous owner who was as big of an absent T owner
I laughed way too hard at something in this sentence.
In high school a few of my friends worked at a car wash and would clean the outside and inside of cars. They would keep coins found in seats, under seats, in the vacuum filter somehow, etc. Could the employee be doing this and saving up the coins? Just throwing it out there.
I agree with what others have said and install a camera that isn’t hidden. Hopefully, that will be enough to make a difference. Good luck!
Posted on 6/14/18 at 1:03 pm to Tygra
No that's not what he's doing, for one he is only taking quarters to the bank not mixed change and for two it's just way too much money in too short a time for that
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