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SpaceX Starlink getting closer to being operational

Posted on 6/15/20 at 2:56 pm
Posted by wickowick
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Posted on 6/15/20 at 2:56 pm
SpaceX Starlink user terminals tested by board members as beta nears

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This news comes around the same time as SpaceX took two significant steps towards a beta debut for Starlink internet service, completing the eighth successful launch of Starlink v1.0 satellites and opening a new web portal where anyone can sign up for updates on service availability in their region. According to COO and President Gwynne Shotwell, SpaceX means to begin rolling out Starlink internet service once 14 launches are completed and ~840 satellites are in orbit. Whether or not that figure includes SpaceX’s first launch of 60 ‘v0.9’ Starlink satellites back in May 2019, it’s safe to say that that 14-launch milestone is just two or three months away if the company can sustain and average of two to three launches per month.


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Specs-wise, the same virtual seminar revealed that a normal level of connectivity for a user terminal will be around 100 megabits per second (mbps) down and 40 mbps up. According to Musk, Starlink internet latency (often known as ping) might actually be better than fiber internet, offering ~20 ms for Version 1 and ~8 ms when Version 2 debuts (ETA unknown).


This post was edited on 6/15/20 at 3:53 pm
Posted by LSUtigerME
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Posted on 6/15/20 at 3:46 pm to
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According to Musk, Starlink internet latency (often known as ping) might actually be better than fiber internet, offering ~20 ms for Version 1 and ~8 ms when Version 2 debuts (ETA unknown).


I always thought this was the limitation of satellite internet, since the distances were so great it was impossible to get lower levels.

This seems pretty promising though.
Posted by wickowick
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Posted on 6/15/20 at 3:52 pm to
These are being placed in very low earth orbit, thus the much quicker response time than a traditional satellite internet like Hughes.
Posted by Korkstand
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Posted on 6/15/20 at 4:03 pm to
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I always thought this was the limitation of satellite internet, since the distances were so great it was impossible to get lower levels.
That is a limitation with geostationary satellite internet. That style of satellite TV/internet service relies on few satellites that are always in the same spot in the sky, and the dish must be aimed precisely. The way orbits/physics works, that can only be achieved at a height of 22,236 miles above earth. Any lower, the sat will have to orbit faster to remain in orbit, and it will move in the sky. Any higher, the sat will have to orbit slower to remain in orbit, and it will move in the sky.

So given they're about 22k miles away, one ping will have to traverse that distance 4 times... one up, one down on the way there, and one up one down on the way back. That's 88k miles. Given the speed of light at 186k miles per second, the absolute bare minimum ping time is 475ms, and that's before accounting for routing delays and additional mileage across the ground.


Starlink, on the other hand, does not use geostationary satellites. They are only ~350 miles up in low earth orbit (LEO). This means they will move across the sky very quickly, so that's why they have to launch thousands of sats to kind of blanket the planet. The receiver doesn't have to track them across the sky because there will always be one close enough. The same 4X applies, but 1400 miles requires a minimum of 7.5ms as opposed to the 475 of geostationary sats.

Further, since Starlink sats will be able to communicate directly with one another in a perfectly straight line, they actually have the potential for ping times lower than terrestrial services in some instances, because physical cabling obviously requires some extra lengths to get around the globe. Also the speed of light in fiber is a bit slower than in the vacuum of space.
Posted by AUCE05
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Posted on 6/15/20 at 4:13 pm to
I think he wants 12000 satellites. We currently have 58. I am stoked about this. Changes how we will be connected.
Posted by wickowick
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Posted on 6/15/20 at 4:16 pm to
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We currently have 58.


I think we are currently at 418 satellites. Each dragon launch is putting about 60 into orbit.
Posted by AUCE05
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Posted on 6/15/20 at 4:26 pm to
Ahh.
Posted by CAD703X
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Posted on 6/15/20 at 5:33 pm to
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I think he wants 12000 satellites. We currently have 58
Posted by BeepNode
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Posted on 6/15/20 at 9:02 pm to
Elon describes the user terminal as a usb-powered UFO on a stick, which makes it portable.

I'm guessing there needs to be a device outside your home to relay to Starlink so I'm curious if they will work if you just point it out the window.
Posted by jmarto1
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Posted on 6/16/20 at 7:22 am to
I and read that he has these satellites set up to communicate with Mars in a way that works around the FCC
Posted by Tortious
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Posted on 6/16/20 at 7:55 am to
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They are only ~350 miles up in low earth orbit (LEO)


Clearly Musk has some engineers who frequent the OT.
Posted by LSU316
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Posted on 6/16/20 at 8:19 am to
They better be able to demo that latency to the FCC within the next month if they want the federal funding for rural broadband.

HERE
Posted by wickowick
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Posted on 6/16/20 at 8:43 am to
LINK

We had a lunch of 58 satellites on June 13th and another dragon launch planned for Next Monday on the 22nd. SpaceX is really ramping up deployment. It looks like they have 2 launches a month planned for the foreseeable future.
Posted by TigerGman
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Posted on 6/16/20 at 11:13 am to
I signed up for the Beta.
Posted by safemode
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Posted on 6/18/20 at 4:20 pm to
I hope they will be responsible to take all that crap out of orbit when the tech reaches EOL.
Posted by Korkstand
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Posted on 6/18/20 at 5:49 pm to
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I hope they will be responsible to take all that crap out of orbit when the tech reaches EOL.

They are equipped with ion engines that can be used to deorbit them. They have tested a couple already, and they entered the atmosphere and burned up just fine.

Otherwise their orbits will eventually degrade and they will burn up anyway. I'm not sure how long they intend the lifespan to be.
This post was edited on 6/18/20 at 5:59 pm
Posted by LeClerc
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Posted on 6/19/20 at 8:27 am to
So does this mean I can tell cox to go suck it?
Posted by I Love Bama
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Posted on 6/19/20 at 8:48 am to
I've been eyeing a "finca" (vacation home) in Colombia for some time. My main hold up is there is no internet which makes working impossible.

Do you guys know if they are only going to open this up in North American for now or will there be beta testers world wide?

Posted by Doldil
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Posted on 6/19/20 at 9:17 am to
I read they were aiming for the northern part of US/Canada to start with, I think? I signed up for beta though so hope to hear more soon-ish. I think once it actually gets up and running it'll only be a few months or so before they really start to broaden their reach.
Posted by wickowick
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Posted on 6/19/20 at 4:57 pm to
It will be worldwide within the next 2 years, rumor is around $80 a month price point
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