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re: Security cameras
Posted on 4/8/22 at 2:49 pm to pheroy
Posted on 4/8/22 at 2:49 pm to pheroy
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I would generally like to avoid Chinese made if possible. I looked up a bunch of that info last night. But it looks like that would put this into a totally different price point so it's really hard to do.
Let's look at Ubiquiti. LINK This is one of the best videos explaning the differences between the cameras. He actually calls the value of the g3 flex (the $79 camera) the highest, better than the $450 g4p. I don't necessarily disagree with him.
Depending on the mount, you're looking $80-100/camera, which is right in budget
Here is a rundown on using Unifi Video on your synology.
But you're looking at $200 for 1TB of storage and the Protect controller on their CKg2+.
Minus the cost of the switch/cabling, it seems like it is sort of right in your ballpark for price, if you like the look of the camera for your application.
I'd argue you need to watch the first video (and then the same channel has a Hikvision vs Unifi video as well). There are certainly better cameras than the g3 flex. But for the money, it's a decent value. And if it is going to meet your needs, I think it could be a good solution that is right in your ballpark (minus the price of a 1TB HDD upgrade if you want more than...just a guess...7-10 days of storage)
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Posted on 4/8/22 at 3:12 pm to pheroy
But with all that said, I'm also realizing that probably the best solution is to close the gate in the first place, i.e. segment network and limit access to the cameras both externally and internally. So that alleviates Chinese security concerns. (And let's face it, looking at the outside approach to my or most people's house really isn't very interesting or valuable. Maybe if you're across the street from a CIA facility lol...)
Posted on 4/8/22 at 3:18 pm to pheroy
This guy talks about Reolink in his video. He even mentions they are their own OEM. He states they are NDAA and SEA compliant.
He seems very knowledgeable and a source for real world test for his camera testing.
The Hook Up from Youtube review of 4k PoE zoom cameras LINK
He seems very knowledgeable and a source for real world test for his camera testing.
The Hook Up from Youtube review of 4k PoE zoom cameras LINK
Posted on 4/8/22 at 3:39 pm to pheroy
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But with all that said, I'm also realizing that probably the best solution is to close the gate in the first place, i.e. segment network and limit access to the cameras both externally and internally.
This is certainly the most secure approach.
It's no fun to not watch your garage door be closed at 9, 12, and 3pm from your phone.
And logging into a VPN and hitting the server remotely four times a day is way more lame than a convenient app.
Posted on 4/8/22 at 4:15 pm to Vood
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The Hook Up from Youtube review of 4k PoE zoom cameras LINK
Really nice comparison and review, thanks. Reolink obviously did really well there and even better considering it was the least expensive. They are really moving up on my list now.
Posted on 4/8/22 at 4:22 pm to pheroy
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But with all that said, I'm also realizing that probably the best solution is to close the gate in the first place, i.e. segment network and limit access to the cameras both externally and internally.
This is the starting spot with general network security, especially considering the amount of connected devices and functions. Ubiquiti makes this really easy with their product line. Additionally, TP-link Omada line and Aruba have similar SDN products with TP-link being cheaper than the three mentioned. I havent gotten hands on the Omada stuff but have my items saved for when I decide to buy them and test them out.
Posted on 4/8/22 at 4:58 pm to Hopeful Doc
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Let's look at Ubiquiti. LINK This is one of the best videos explaning the differences between the cameras. He actually calls the value of the g3 flex (the $79 camera) the highest, better than the $450 g4p. I don't necessarily disagree with him.
I'll have to watch that later this weekend but I note that in the comments he replied:
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outdoor id go G4pro, G4bullet, G3bullet, G3flex, G3pro.... The G4 sensors are worth the cost difference to me...
Just not sure I want to go with 1080p. I know the sensor makes a big difference for night vision as opposed to resolution, and I need to check on the G3. It seems to have the 1/3" sensor that's a little bigger and similar size as G4 so I assume it would have an advantage at night. Plus if the frame rate is higher it may actually look clearer than 4K despite being lower res.
Posted on 4/8/22 at 7:06 pm to pheroy
IMO with the Ubiquiti cams the sweet spots are the G3 Flex at $80 and the G4 Bullet at $200. The G3 Flex is 2MP (1080p) and the G4 Bullet is 4MP (1440p). The G3 Flex is great for small/close scenes like around entrances, while the G4 Bullet is nice for larger/further scenes like a yard overview or driveway.
The G3 Bullet is a decent camera but IMO it's too big a step down from the G4 for only $50 savings, I think it would be a better value at maybe $120 instead of $150. For $50 more the G4 has double the pixels and adds person and vehicle detection, which is easily worth it.
The biggest issue with Ubiquiti right now is stock. Batches of product sell out as soon as they get them, so you have to be quick on the trigger. The second biggest issue is there are better values out there if your only criteria are video quality and price. I happen to place a lot of value on UI/UX, though, and after years of searching I still think UniFi Protect is unmatched here.
The G3 Bullet is a decent camera but IMO it's too big a step down from the G4 for only $50 savings, I think it would be a better value at maybe $120 instead of $150. For $50 more the G4 has double the pixels and adds person and vehicle detection, which is easily worth it.
The biggest issue with Ubiquiti right now is stock. Batches of product sell out as soon as they get them, so you have to be quick on the trigger. The second biggest issue is there are better values out there if your only criteria are video quality and price. I happen to place a lot of value on UI/UX, though, and after years of searching I still think UniFi Protect is unmatched here.
Posted on 4/8/22 at 7:16 pm to pheroy
quote:A few notes here... so yes, a larger sensor is always better, and in general for a given sensor size fewer pixels is better than more pixels in low light conditions because each pixel gets more sensor real estate. But as with most things, there is a limit here and other factors to consider. For example, let's take it to the extreme and say our camera has just 1 pixel for that big sensor. Yes that pixel will certainly perform well, but it's still just one pixel and you won't tell shite from shite.
Just not sure I want to go with 1080p. I know the sensor makes a big difference for night vision as opposed to resolution, and I need to check on the G3. It seems to have the 1/3" sensor that's a little bigger and similar size as G4 so I assume it would have an advantage at night. Plus if the frame rate is higher it may actually look clearer than 4K despite being lower res.
So if you really want to get into it, you will eventually look into DORI distances and start doing the math for your particular scene(s). The trick is to get enough pixels on target to give you all the detail you need, but not so many pixels to the point where the quality of each pixel begins to suffer due to an undersized sensor (assuming you'd rather not solve this problem with a much higher budget). Too much detail is also a waste of hard drive space and other resources.
Posted on 4/9/22 at 9:16 am to pheroy
I'll throw in my anecdote in here. At home I have a full reolink shop for cameras. I have 6 cameras running 2k at 30FPS. I am very pleased with reolink, nightvision is impressive and I've got no complaints. A good friend of mine has all Amcrest cameras and he is also very impressed with his.
There are a couple of things that gives one the edge over another. Amcrest has a doorbell that no longer requires a cloud subscription and it's very convenient to have it all in one app. Reolink does not have a doorbell so I have a Eufy doorbell. My main reason for that was it was the only one with local storage when I bought it. Reolink offers some cameras that are more innovative than amcrest, like the dual lens camera with 180 degree (I think?) FOV.
If you can get past Chinese made cameras they work quite well and you won't be disappointed at that price.
There are a couple of things that gives one the edge over another. Amcrest has a doorbell that no longer requires a cloud subscription and it's very convenient to have it all in one app. Reolink does not have a doorbell so I have a Eufy doorbell. My main reason for that was it was the only one with local storage when I bought it. Reolink offers some cameras that are more innovative than amcrest, like the dual lens camera with 180 degree (I think?) FOV.
If you can get past Chinese made cameras they work quite well and you won't be disappointed at that price.
Posted on 4/9/22 at 11:52 am to Vood
I use Arlo Pro 3's with 2k video. Have to change the batteries out about once a month but not a big deal. Love these cameras and the video quality is great. Even turns a light on at night if it detects motion.
Posted on 4/9/22 at 4:42 pm to t00f
So I presented some info & pricing to the wife.
Now she's wondering why this overpriced stuff is not as good as a $30 pet/baby cam, because the $30 cam has motion tracking too.
Maybe I should just hook up the cheapest piece of crap I can for now and consider it a win?
Now she's wondering why this overpriced stuff is not as good as a $30 pet/baby cam, because the $30 cam has motion tracking too.
Maybe I should just hook up the cheapest piece of crap I can for now and consider it a win?
Posted on 4/9/22 at 5:23 pm to pheroy
quote:Oh boy. Have you not yet mastered the art of overloading her with technical jargon until she begs you to shut up and buy whatever you want?
So I presented some info & pricing to the wife.
Now she's wondering why this overpriced stuff is not as good as a $30 pet/baby cam, because the $30 cam has motion tracking too.
Posted on 4/9/22 at 5:25 pm to pheroy
Canon will lead the world, soon, in security cameras. They already own Axis Communications. This new SPAD technology, though, has potential to eliminate CMOS sensors with the ability to see at night, in color, plus with time of flight data, by counting photons and measuring the distance they travel, SPAD sensors can create a 3D point cloud like LIDAR at a fraction of the cost.
Canon press release
Canon press release
Posted on 4/9/22 at 10:36 pm to Korkstand
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Oh boy. Have you not yet mastered the art of overloading her with technical jargon until she begs you to shut up and buy whatever you want?
LOL. I was just being amused at her comment. The budget in my OP is already sold. I also know how to pick battles, and this isn't the big one. That'll come when I tell her I want to upgrade our theater with a JVC NZ-7.
Posted on 4/9/22 at 10:42 pm to HubbaBubba
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HubbaBubba
VERY cool tech, thanks for posting that. I see reported elsewhere the CMOS manufacturing technology can be used and the production cost is similar, so that's very promising in terms of consumer cost and availability. Won't be here in time for my project as I need to get this going this month, but it might give me incentive to stay on the lower end of the budget with an eye toward an upgrade in a few years.
I see Sony & Panasonic are also working on introducing their own SPAD sensors too, so Canon isn't going to have a monopoly on this.
This post was edited on 4/9/22 at 10:45 pm
Posted on 4/9/22 at 11:31 pm to pheroy
quote:Everyone is working on it. Canon has some unique patents in this field, so that makes it harder for others to achieve the same or better results. Sony does have a huge lead in low rez SPAD used for time of flight but nobody besides Canon has created a way to make such an efficient SPAD and at a resolution greater than 1 megapixel AND in color.
I see Sony & Panasonic are also working on introducing their own SPAD sensors too, so Canon isn't going to have a monopoly on this.
My interest is in applying this to defense systems.
Posted on 4/10/22 at 2:14 am to Vood
I like how this guy claims the only issue with these cameras is that they have backdoors and that the backdoors are just an accident and nothing to do with China being China.
Not to mention malicious processes that China can inject into cheap SoC processors made in China that are not run by companies that are vigilant or able to stand up to the CCP.
Not to mention malicious processes that China can inject into cheap SoC processors made in China that are not run by companies that are vigilant or able to stand up to the CCP.
Posted on 4/10/22 at 10:08 am to BeepNode
He also kind of offhandedly said that his preferred method of accessing his cameras remotely is via VPN, so for him that eliminates a lot of possible threats because he can disallow internet access for the NVR. But the default method of remote access, and what's done in probably 99% of cases, is what they call peer-to-peer access. It seems pretty secure because your cameras don't have access due to being plugged into the NVR, and you don't have to open any ports for inbound access to the NVR, but the NVR itself has to open an outbound connection to a server owned by the Chinese. They can do anything with your NVR and cameras at that point.
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