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Posted on 6/11/23 at 6:28 pm
Posted by MJackson
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 6/11/23 at 6:28 pm
i know a lot of people here are way more tech savvy than me, so I figured I'd ask. which laptop will give me more speed (i.e. is faster at processing for loading streaming videos, watching football live, for example), a core-i5 with 32GB RAM, or a core-i7 with 16GB RAM, all other things being equal?

thanks in advance
Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 6/11/23 at 7:07 pm to
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core-i5 with 32GB RAM, or a core-i7 with 16GB RAM,



Any chance you’ve got the model number or the i5 and i7 you’re talking about?


But if you’re talking about performance for streaming, there’s likely not a big difference between the two- network connection will matter more. If you had to pick the more important factor, assuming you’re talking same generation i5/i7, you’ll probably see a bigger difference in RAM. but at 16gB, you won’t necessarily see a huge performance increase going to 32, unless you’re doing a bit more than you’re letting on.


So, if there’s a simple answer, “probably the RAM,” but for the intended purpose, probably no real difference between either that’s noticeable unless you have 50 browser tabs, a plex server, a HomeAssistant VM, a PiHole VM/Docker, and you’re streaming 2-3 different things at once.
Posted by MJackson
Member since Dec 2006
1126 posts
Posted on 6/11/23 at 7:27 pm to
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Any chance you’ve got the model number or the i5 and i7 you’re talking about?


But if you’re talking about performance for streaming, there’s likely not a big difference between the two- network connection will matter more. If you had to pick the more important factor, assuming you’re talking same generation i5/i7, you’ll probably see a bigger difference in RAM. but at 16gB, you won’t necessarily see a huge performance increase going to 32, unless you’re doing a bit more than you’re letting on.


So, if there’s a simple answer, “probably the RAM,” but for the intended purpose, probably no real difference between either that’s noticeable unless you have 50 browser tabs, a plex server, a HomeAssistant VM, a PiHole VM/Docker, and you’re streaming 2-3 different things at once.


thanks so much for your help...

to be honest, I don't have a list yet. my current laptop is an HP Pavilion x360 (core-i5 with 16GB RAM/512 GB storage), and I've been searching tirelessly for months for an affordable upgrade with specs of core-i5 w/ 32GB RAM/1 TB storage, but then I ran across an i7 w/ 16GB RAM, and thought, that since the processor is an upgrade, that might be faster and can accommodate higher speeds that I need (live football games). that's why i asked, since my ultimate goal is to upgrade the processing speed

obviously, my ideal scenario would be to get a core-i7 w/ 32GB RAM/1TB storage, just so I could future proof it, but that's almost impossible to do under $1k (not to mention, I don't like 15.6 inches, i prefer 14-15 inches w/ front facing/on-top-of keyboard speakers as compared to speakers that are on the underside)
Posted by DMAN1968
Member since Apr 2019
11750 posts
Posted on 6/11/23 at 7:59 pm to
Buy you one with the I7 and add additional ram/storage as needed. It's not hard and ram/drive prices are not outrageous.
Posted by MJackson
Member since Dec 2006
1126 posts
Posted on 6/11/23 at 9:34 pm to
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Buy you one with the I7 and add additional ram/storage as needed.


is every single laptop's RAM upgradeable? any exceptions?

Amazon - This is one i'm considering

could I upgrade this to 32 or 64 later on? also, pretending that I'm 5 years old, where do threads/processors figure into the processing speed/memory of a laptop?

thanks
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28997 posts
Posted on 6/11/23 at 9:57 pm to
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is every single laptop's RAM upgradeable?
No.
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any exceptions?
Yes.
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Amazon - This is one i'm considering

could I upgrade this to 32 or 64 later on?
No, that model has soldered-on memory so you can't upgrade it (well maybe someone can but I wouldn't recommend trying it).
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also, pretending that I'm 5 years old, where do threads/processors figure into the processing speed/memory of a laptop?
Processors are pretty crazy these days, but generally more cores/threads = more better assuming all else equal. That's not to say that you will always experience the improved performance, because it takes a specific type of workload or specific code in a program to take advantage of more cores/threads. You can look at a thousand benchmarks comparing two processors but it still won't tell you which one will be faster for your use cases. Also it just doesn't matter if all you're really interested in is watching videos. Literally anything you buy can do that and all the extra power is sitting there idle.
Posted by MJackson
Member since Dec 2006
1126 posts
Posted on 6/11/23 at 10:11 pm to
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Korkstand


thanks a lot

i guess I wasn't articulate enough in my original post. I'm kinda annoyed at the fact that my laptops last about 4 years, at which point they really slow down and aren't as snappy compared to the first several months of usage. most people I know tell me that their laptops tend to last 6-8 years, which has always baffled me

i really want my next laptop to last me at least 5 or 6 years (if not more). that's why I'm a little anal about future proofing it as much as possible and trying to really get one w/ great specs, so that it'll have longevity
Posted by DMAN1968
Member since Apr 2019
11750 posts
Posted on 6/11/23 at 10:47 pm to
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is every single laptop's RAM upgradeable? any exceptions?

My bad. I've been using gaming laptops for years now as that is something I like to do. They come with dedicated video cards/ram and usually have empty drive bays and ram is just a matter of taking a cover off and popping in some bigger/newer modules. There is a trade off as battery life is usually not near as good and weight/portability becomes an issue.

You start getting into the slim/lighter models and those options are limited.

I do still use one that has to be 10 years old and can still function to surf the net and do emails and things.

Like Korkstand has said...for "regular" daily use and video watching...your not stressing many of todays decent laptops and a good one will last you a long time for that purpose.
This post was edited on 6/11/23 at 10:48 pm
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28997 posts
Posted on 6/11/23 at 10:56 pm to
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i guess I wasn't articulate enough in my original post. I'm kinda annoyed at the fact that my laptops last about 4 years, at which point they really slow down and aren't as snappy compared to the first several months of usage. most people I know tell me that their laptops tend to last 6-8 years, which has always baffled me

i really want my next laptop to last me at least 5 or 6 years (if not more). that's why I'm a little anal about future proofing it as much as possible and trying to really get one w/ great specs, so that it'll have longevity
When a computer "slows down", it's typically not due to anything wearing out, it's because they end up doing more stuff. Some of that is due to software updates which sometimes end up suffering from "bloat", but most of it is just all the junk that gets installed over time. Most computers have a factory reset option, which should restore it to day 1 performance.

I can think of only 2 ways that a computer can actually slow down for a real physical reason yet continue to mostly work. One way is hard drives might have a couple of failure modes that result in slow reads and writes for a period of time before eventual failure. The other is thermal throttling of the CPU due to a failed fan or dislocated heat sink. There may be others but these are the two that come to mind.

I'm typing this on a 10 year old laptop which streams video just fine (though it does struggle with 4K content).
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
9996 posts
Posted on 6/11/23 at 11:28 pm to
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512 GB storage


This must, must be NVME or SSD storage. If it's a spinning disk (HDD), you have already kicked yourself in the jimmy.
Posted by MJackson
Member since Dec 2006
1126 posts
Posted on 6/11/23 at 11:33 pm to
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This must, must be NVME or SSD storage. If it's a spinning disk (HDD), you have already kicked yourself in the jimmy.


yes, i have SSD right now (I think SATA). every laptop i'm considering has PCIe

Posted by andouille
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Member since Dec 2004
11101 posts
Posted on 6/12/23 at 7:37 am to
As a techie who dismantles laptops frequently, my only advise is to avoid HP. Go with a Dell or Asus, HP takes every shortcut possible, if they can use a clip instead of a screw, they use a clip, if they can use tape instead of a clip, they use tape. HP's keep repair people in business.
Posted by MJackson
Member since Dec 2006
1126 posts
Posted on 6/12/23 at 9:43 am to
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As a techie who dismantles laptops frequently, my only advise is to avoid HP. Go with a Dell or Asus, HP takes every shortcut possible, if they can use a clip instead of a screw, they use a clip, if they can use tape instead of a clip, they use tape. HP's keep repair people in business.




on a broad level, i'm not gonna doubt you, but a few things:

1) in my experience, Dell laptops have given me a lot of problems
2) Dell and Asus laptops are considerably more expensive than HPs when comparing similar sizes/specs
3) i've had a few HPs, and the only times I've had issues were self-inflicted (dropped water on the keyboard; dropped it due to my laziness, and it was easily fixed at a local shop)
4) i'm very picky when it comes to certain features and specs on a laptop, and HPs are the best in terms of checking off the most boxes almost every time I'm in the market for a laptop
Posted by tenderfoot tigah
Red Stick
Member since Sep 2004
11213 posts
Posted on 6/12/23 at 9:46 am to
There are many i5s considerably faster than many i7s. You have to go to a cpu benchmarking website to compare the actual models.
Posted by MJackson
Member since Dec 2006
1126 posts
Posted on 6/12/23 at 10:05 am to
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There are many i5s considerably faster than many i7s. You have to go to a cpu benchmarking website to compare the actual models.


even when comparing the same generation chip, or a newer i7 chip?

for example, are there any instances in which an 8th generation i5 would be faster than an 11th generation-i7, with all other things being equal? or the same generation i5 vs i7?
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
20012 posts
Posted on 6/12/23 at 10:29 am to
you need to post specific model numbers.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
29870 posts
Posted on 6/12/23 at 12:26 pm to
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i know a lot of people here are way more tech savvy than me, so I figured I'd ask. which laptop will give me more speed (i.e. is faster at processing for loading streaming videos, watching football live, for example), a core-i5 with 32GB RAM, or a core-i7 with 16GB RAM, all other things being equal?


I streamed last night’s baseball game on my 7 year old potato laptop. You don’t need processing power for that. If your computer is streaming sluggishly, either you have an issue with your internet connection or your computer has gotten bloated to the point that it simply needs a clean OS install.

Feel free to buy a new laptop, but you almost certainly don’t need to for your usage case.
Posted by andouille
A table near a waiter.
Member since Dec 2004
11101 posts
Posted on 6/12/23 at 1:18 pm to
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on a broad level, i'm not gonna doubt you, but a few things:

1) in my experience, Dell laptops have given me a lot of problems
2) Dell and Asus laptops are considerably more expensive than HPs when comparing similar sizes/specs
3) i've had a few HPs, and the only times I've had issues were self-inflicted (dropped water on the keyboard; dropped it due to my laziness, and it was easily fixed at a local shop)
4) i'm very picky when it comes to certain features and specs on a laptop, and HPs are the best in terms of checking off the most boxes almost every time I'm in the market for a laptop


I don't doubt that everyone has different experiences, it is unusual for me to get a Dell to fix unless it's a software issue or an upgrade to an SSD, although they did have an Inspiron that the top's hinge wore against video wire, had a few of those, but have not seen one in a while.

I had some HP's with LCD screen issues, the damn screen was taped into the lid, getting it off was a real bitch. The same model is Win 11 ready, but when you upgrade the wifi goes out, that is the kind of shite that drives me nuts.

Yes, HP usually has better features, but I'd rather pay more for the Dells. I have a client with 15 or so Dell Laptops and about 10 Surface Pro, I rarely have to touch them. That's good, because there is nothing on a SP I can fix except software.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
20012 posts
Posted on 6/12/23 at 2:11 pm to
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I don't doubt that everyone has different experiences, it is unusual for me to get a Dell to fix unless it's a software issue or an upgrade to an SSD, although they did have an Inspiron that the top's hinge wore against video wire, had a few of those, but have not seen one in a while.

I had some HP's with LCD screen issues, the damn screen was taped into the lid, getting it off was a real bitch. The same model is Win 11 ready, but when you upgrade the wifi goes out, that is the kind of shite that drives me nuts.

Yes, HP usually has better features, but I'd rather pay more for the Dells. I have a client with 15 or so Dell Laptops and about 10 Surface Pro, I rarely have to touch them. That's good, because there is nothing on a SP I can fix except software.


I dont have enough data to really say anything convincing one way or another but my family has all bought 3 HP Pcs over the last 2 years and they have been great to this point.

At work, my company only uses DELL laptops. I'm on my 3rd in less than a month because of hardware failures (Precision 7670). My company also has an open ticket with DELL regarding mass failures for a new laptop model (not the same as mine, I think it is precision 5xxx series) because the majority of the other laptop model (5xxx) are failing catastrophically within weeks after first issue.

I think the issue with mine is poor cooling design but I haven't had my hands on the other model to have any guesses on that one.

In the end, I think every company will make some good products and some bad. Nobody seems to have cornered the market on producing nothing but good machines.
This post was edited on 6/12/23 at 2:13 pm
Posted by bluebarracuda
Member since Oct 2011
18840 posts
Posted on 6/12/23 at 2:39 pm to
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At work, my company only uses DELL laptops. I'm on my 3rd in less than a month because of hardware failures (Precision 7670). My company also has an open ticket with DELL regarding mass failures for a new laptop model (not the same as mine, I think it is precision 5xxx series) because the majority of the other laptop model (5xxx) are failing catastrophically within weeks after first issue.


I feel like this is an issue with any of the major players "Business class" line of laptops
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