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Posted on 3/12/22 at 9:31 pm
Posted by halleburton
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 3/12/22 at 9:31 pm
Planning on a new build this fall, and wondering what the most user friendly / DIY multi-zone audio set up is. Thinking we will want 2 speakers in living room, 2 speakers outside, and potentially 2 speakers in master bedroom (3 zones max - may nix the master bedroom zone).

We want in ceiling speakers, and all wire will be pulled to a central location / AV cabinet. What kind of hardware should I be looking at? I've had free standing sonos speakers before and liked them, but from what I can tell the Amp doesnt have multi-zone capability.

We plan to use it almost exclusively for music, so no home theater needs at all, just want something simple to install (fewest pieces possible) and operate preferably 100% by app. I feel like Sonos is what I want and need, but dont know how to get multiple zones.

Looking forward to seeing some suggestions.

eta: all zones will be playing from the same source, just want the ability to turn zones off and on independently.
This post was edited on 3/12/22 at 9:45 pm
Posted by Scooby
Member since Aug 2006
1881 posts
Posted on 3/12/22 at 9:51 pm to
Sonos can do it, but you just have to buy an amp for each set of speakers which makes it pricey. I have an amp for my living room speakers, and one for my patio speakers. Again, more pricey, but ease of use for my wife and kids made it worth it for me.
Posted by halleburton
Member since Dec 2009
1519 posts
Posted on 3/12/22 at 10:43 pm to
Yep, sounds like I will have a 2-zone system if thats the case.

Do both of your zones still play the same audio / source? Can you turn the two zones on/off within the Sonos app? I use my spotify app more than the Sonos app currently for playback, assuming that will have to change.

Was hoping I could do this with a single WiFi receiver for less than $500, but from what I've found online it seems much more complex than that.
Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
14964 posts
Posted on 3/13/22 at 2:49 am to
quote:

I feel like Sonos is what I want and need, but dont know how to get multiple zones.



Really depends on your definition of “zone.”

A great way to keep things cheap and DIY is to put manual volume controls at each set of speakers and a speaker selector switch at the source. Audio will play to all zones (one song), and each zone can be turned off centrally (push button) or at the speakers (volume knob).


The true “3-zone” Sonos set up that allows you to play 3 different things and change the zones by app is to buy 3x Sonos amps.
Posted by 632627
LA
Member since Dec 2011
12759 posts
Posted on 3/13/22 at 7:28 am to
denon's multiroom tech is called "heos". it's supported by some of their receivers and there are also standalone speakers. a single denon receiver will be cheaper than multiple Sonos amps.

sonos is the gold standard but it's expensive. you'll need an amp per each zone.

any receiver can do 2 zone.
Posted by Locoguan0
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Nov 2017
4286 posts
Posted on 3/13/22 at 9:05 am to
Not in-ceiling, but I do this with my Amazon Echo speakers. Just create a "group" and when playing music, request that it is played on that group. Only really good for music though, not TV or movies.
Posted by Shotgun Willie
Member since Apr 2016
3778 posts
Posted on 3/13/22 at 10:47 am to
We have sonos. House we purchased had speakers in ceiling and on back porch. We have two sonos systems, one works the speakers inside and one for outside speakers. I also have a single sonos speaker in the basement. LOVE the ease of the system.
Posted by Scooby
Member since Aug 2006
1881 posts
Posted on 3/13/22 at 5:36 pm to
quote:

Do both of your zones still play the same audio / source? Can you turn the two zones on/off within the Sonos app? I use my spotify app more than the Sonos app currently for playback, assuming that will have to change.


Yes. I have 2 Sonos amps. One plays my living room (paired with a PlayBar), one plays my patio. I also have 3 Play:1s scattered throughout the house. I can have them all play the same thing, or they can each play separate things. Spotify has support on the app to play music to individual speakers or I can make groups, all from the Spotify app.

I didn’t buy the whole system at once, but added over about a 3 year span. Again, not the most cost effective, but my wife fires everything right up and has no issues with control. And if she wants to hear the TV audio in the kitchen, she just hits the button on the Play:1 in the kitchen and she can hear the audio. Again, super easy.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81627 posts
Posted on 3/14/22 at 9:38 am to
quote:

Planning on a new build this fall, and wondering what the most user friendly / DIY multi-zone audio set up is. Thinking we will want 2 speakers in living room, 2 speakers outside, and potentially 2 speakers in master bedroom (3 zones max - may nix the master bedroom zone).

My house is similar. We have kitchen, living room(2 sets), bedroom and patio. I almost never use the living room, and did not bother connecting bedroom(would never use it).

What works great for me is a normal receiver with a speaker switch, then run through Chromecast audio. Our switch normally stays on kitchen/patio because we spend more time cooking/hanging out on patio than anything else other than sleeping. The only improvement I would actually use is possibly a remote controlled speaker switch, but even then, the patio/kitchen combo would be used 95% of the time anyway.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81627 posts
Posted on 3/14/22 at 10:39 am to
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The only improvement I would actually use is possibly a remote controlled speaker switch
Video on such a thing.
Posted by AFtigerFan
Ohio
Member since Feb 2008
3253 posts
Posted on 3/14/22 at 1:36 pm to
I'm having a house design bid on right now, and one of the things they will quote is a multi-zone audio system.

For my education, what could I use that would allow me to have audio in my great room and patio, with the option to have the tv for each one linked to the audio system? I'd like to be able to listen to both tvs separately at the same time (one in great room and one on the outside patio).
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81627 posts
Posted on 3/14/22 at 1:44 pm to
I am going to have to pass on that one. I always handle TV audio with soundbars.
Posted by AFtigerFan
Ohio
Member since Feb 2008
3253 posts
Posted on 3/14/22 at 1:58 pm to
quote:

I am going to have to pass on that one. I always handle TV audio with soundbars.
I have also but was just wondering if it’s possible to incorporate it all together.
Posted by VABuckeye
Naples, FL
Member since Dec 2007
35541 posts
Posted on 3/14/22 at 7:14 pm to
Anything is possible. It’s just a matter of budget.
Posted by cdl2006
SCP
Member since Nov 2007
311 posts
Posted on 3/15/22 at 10:11 pm to
I’ve got the amplifier linked below and have been very happy with it. I have an echo dot on the back of the tv in each room I have music. This allows me to play music by voice or through Alexa/Amazon music app. As someone else mentioned, you can also set up speaker groups so that the same music plays on all speakers. I have tvs connected to the secondary input on the amp which allows me to play the tv audio. All wiring to echos and tv is over cat6.

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Posted by NOLAGT
Over there
Member since Dec 2012
13530 posts
Posted on 3/16/22 at 7:10 am to
quote:

For my education, what could I use that would allow me to have audio in my great room and patio, with the option to have the tv for each one linked to the audio system? I'd like to be able to listen to both tvs separately at the same time (one in great room and one on the outside patio).


Could be done with Sonos depending on how it’s all setup.

What is your video source of choice? Just one source or multi?

What is the plan for all your gear, central closet or more like behind the TVs?

You can run tv audio into a sonos amp and have it as a option. You can also run Video over cat 6 cable if the run is too far for an HDMI cable. I would use an HDMI cable if at all possible if not it is still possible With network cable.

Say you have a central location with your sonos amps and Apple TV’s. Speaker wire runs to your speaker locations. Apple TV plugs into sonos amp. Then you send the video to tvs over something calle HDBase-T over network cables. That will introduce some sound delay situation but I think there are adjustments within sonos.

I haven’t done this because I’m not trying to play tv audio through the speakers on my sonos amps. My Den just has a full blown HT system and I use a sonos port to ties that system into the whole house.

You can also play TV audio on one sonos amp and then group all your other sonos devices with it and have whole house tv sound.

I’m a sonos fan. It’s simple. My wife and kid can use it without my help, that’s how I gauge it

I have 8 amps, 2 sound bars, and a few subs but im about to revamp it all. May tie a patio tv into the patio amp.

Also my sub has been outside for 7 years on my porch and is still kicking. Wireless so you can tuck it away. Put a plug in the ceiling and make a shelf for a sub out of the way. Put it on a light switch so you can reset without a ladder.

I also have a sub on top of my cabinets in the kitchen with a plug I put up there. Makes a marked difference in sound.

Current situation but I’m in the beginnings of taking it apart, updating to new sonos amps, and putting it in a shorter cabinet pushed back under the stairs more.

This post was edited on 3/16/22 at 7:15 am
Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
14964 posts
Posted on 3/16/22 at 7:30 am to
quote:

Say you have a central location with your sonos amps and Apple TV’s. Speaker wire runs to your speaker locations. Apple TV plugs into sonos amp. Then you send the video to tvs over something calle HDBase-T over network cables. That will introduce some sound delay situation but I think there are adjustments within sonos.



Way cheaper would be to mount each AppleTV behind the TV and simply run Cat6 to the closet, then airplay the sound from the ATV to the Sonos amp it belongs at.
HDBASET solutions are going to increase cost without increasing function in the days of $100ish AppleTV. If we were talking cable boxes, blu ray, or something that’s not able to be put on each TV, video distribution would make a lot more sense.
Posted by NOLAGT
Over there
Member since Dec 2012
13530 posts
Posted on 3/16/22 at 7:31 am to
OP if you still have your sonos stuff you can get a 15-30% coupon from sonos for a upgrade (can spend on any product) AND you get to keep your old sonos gear. I have a bunch of connect amps im swapping for amps and I got 30% off the new and im going to sell off the old to help reduce cost even more.

From a simplicity standpoint Sonos is tGoat IMO. It is pricy but you get what you pay for IMO.
Posted by NOLAGT
Over there
Member since Dec 2012
13530 posts
Posted on 3/16/22 at 7:34 am to
quote:

Way cheaper would be to mount each AppleTV behind the TV and simply run Cat6 to the closet, then airplay the sound from the ATV to the Sonos amp it belongs at. HDBASET solutions are going to increase cost without increasing function in the days of $100ish AppleTV. If we were talking cable boxes, blu ray, or something that’s not able to be put on each TV, video distribution would make a lot more sense.


Yep there are a few ways it can be done it just depends on what the final setup goal is, what video devices wanted, and distances between devices.

Edit to add. I forgot about airplay 2 and Sonos connections. I haven’t fooled with airplay much because I never had a need but the distance is only restricted by the Wi-Fi range correct? I’ll have to look at that more.

I’ll say too that I setup all my stuff in that pic 8 years ago so a lot has changed with AirPlay and all that. All things I’m about to look at because I’d like to get outside tv sound to my outside speaker setup.
This post was edited on 3/16/22 at 7:48 am
Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
14964 posts
Posted on 3/16/22 at 8:14 am to
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distance is only restricted by the Wi-Fi range correc



Essentially, yes. But current Gen Sonos amps (and I think yours, too) have 2x gigabit nics. So you can plug up 8 amps to one switch port and won’t sniff saturating the bandwidth. So if you’re willing to run Cat6 for hdbaseT, I’d assume you’re willing or equipped to do it this way, too. But you don’t need to. The wifi way will work fine assuming it’s reliable. My point was basically: unless you’re replicating the HDMI out from a streaming box and simply using one streaming box per TV as the only source, all the popular ones can fit neatly on the back of a TV with a $10-20 mount and make way more sense than an additional costly system to maintain, and it will be a lot more reliable.


I go back and forth on both Sonos and apple products frequently. But if someone is willing to pay for a dealer-only system but really just scratches the surface of capabilities (switch between TV and audio from Sonos app/airplay per zone, stream everything in Apple TV) they’ll actually save money without being too upset at the function.


But if you want anything more than that, even two sources of video per zone, it rapidly becomes much more complicated.
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