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Posted on 2/3/18 at 8:14 pm
Posted by aldawg2323
Lafayette
Member since Jan 2010
448 posts
Posted on 2/3/18 at 8:14 pm
thinking of employing this for a civil engineering firm to connect remote offices and use for our AutoCAD and engineering software design and plan document development. anyone have any experience using it?
Posted by BigPapi21
United States
Member since Dec 2013
641 posts
Posted on 2/3/18 at 10:37 pm to
Is Microsoft even around these days? I haven't heard that name in years
Posted by SG_Geaux
Beautiful St George, LA
Member since Aug 2004
79560 posts
Posted on 2/3/18 at 10:41 pm to
What are you trying to do exactly? Just have a file server?
Posted by whitefoot
Franklin, TN
Member since Aug 2006
11184 posts
Posted on 2/3/18 at 11:23 pm to
How large are the files you work with?
Posted by airfernando
Member since Oct 2015
15248 posts
Posted on 2/3/18 at 11:34 pm to
quote:

s Microsoft even around these days? I haven't heard that name in years
Their cloud business is doing great, which ties into this thread.
Posted by aldawg2323
Lafayette
Member since Jan 2010
448 posts
Posted on 2/4/18 at 7:17 am to
trying to efficiently connect remote engineering design offices. A friend who works in IT For Travis County, TX recommended Azure (he uses it for his side gig connecting offices in Costa Rica and Austin).

i dont mean to evasive but i am very ignorant on these topics and am looking for 2nd opinions and guidance. i need multiple engineers that are working on one project from multiple locations to be able to work on various files o one project but not mistakenly overwrite, or have to download over the internet a large hydraulics model (as an example) to the local c-drive just to run simulations. that was just 2 examples.

The friend also said he would get aware from hardware totally, putting all files and folders on the cloud.
Posted by aldawg2323
Lafayette
Member since Jan 2010
448 posts
Posted on 2/4/18 at 7:21 am to
our largest floodplain model is about 25 GBs. at my former employer, we always had trouble with engineers in remote offices using these models on the corporate server. the model would have to be downloaded to a local drive, edited and ran, then uploaded back to corporate server a few days/weeks later. Always a risk of overwrite because someone didnt know it was "checked out".
Posted by SlackMaster
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
2778 posts
Posted on 2/4/18 at 8:11 am to
We are doing something similar on AWS with a global oil & gas company, except with more users and the data is seismic and geological.

Based simply on what you shared, I'd bet either Azure or AWS can do this, but you want to save yourself alot of pain, get somebody who knows what they are doing to design and implement.
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 2/4/18 at 8:41 am to
Lots of big companies are going the cloud route, and Azure is one of the big players in this space.

Make sure you have solid internet connections and hire people who know what they're doing. Do that and you're saving a bunch vs. maintaining your own network and servers.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
44033 posts
Posted on 2/4/18 at 8:48 am to
quote:

thinking of employing this for a civil engineering firm to connect remote offices and use for our AutoCAD and engineering software design and plan document development. anyone have any experience using it?




Get ready to pay out the arse.

Posted by TOSOV
Member since Jan 2016
8922 posts
Posted on 2/4/18 at 10:48 am to
May have scalability issues if it's a large effort. Don't ask me why cause I dont get it 100%.

All I know is that a year or so ago we had a customer give us a run down of a transition they are doing using Azure. After the call our VP of IoT/Data looked over at me, and said "they are going to have a scalability issue.". Last week of DEC I got an update on how that project was going, and was told they were having delays due to "having a scalability issue."

How our VP saw that instantly I don't get, but hopefully one day I will. Ha. I'm more the business than tech, but probably know more than I think. Just connecting the dots on the tech side is crazy when talking with people who were in the thick of it as it grew up over the last 25 yrs.
Posted by LSUDAN1
Member since Oct 2010
10197 posts
Posted on 2/4/18 at 10:51 am to
Looks like you needs to spend a ton of money to use Projectwise.
Posted by whitefoot
Franklin, TN
Member since Aug 2006
11184 posts
Posted on 2/4/18 at 10:51 am to
quote:

our largest floodplain model is about 25 GBs.

As others have said, you probably need to hire a consultant to help you navigate this process and help you figure out where compromises can be made. It's really hard to piece this kind of thing together because you have to make commitments to server infrastructure and inter office connectivity.
Posted by aldawg2323
Lafayette
Member since Jan 2010
448 posts
Posted on 2/4/18 at 12:10 pm to
what is your business? what is your customers business?
Posted by ColdDuck
BR via da Parish
Member since Sep 2006
2893 posts
Posted on 2/4/18 at 3:20 pm to
quote:

Is Microsoft even around these days? I haven't heard that name in years


Weird answer...only the second largest cloud provider, still over 90% of the computer marketshare and virtually all non webhosting servers on the planet.
Posted by jdd48
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2012
22829 posts
Posted on 2/4/18 at 5:31 pm to
quote:

May have scalability issues if it's a large effort. Don't ask me why cause I dont get it 100%.

All I know is that a year or so ago we had a customer give us a run down of a transition they are doing using Azure. After the call our VP of IoT/Data looked over at me, and said "they are going to have a scalability issue.". Last week of DEC I got an update on how that project was going, and was told they were having delays due to "having a scalability issue."

How our VP saw that instantly I don't get, but hopefully one day I will. Ha. I'm more the business than tech, but probably know more than I think. Just connecting the dots on the tech side is crazy when talking with people who were in the thick of it as it grew up over the last 25 yrs.


It's simple - cloud is not one size fits all as the cloud providers would like everyone to believe. For something like CAD files, if you don't have the internet pipe to support quickly pulling those files down, performance is likely going to be pretty bad, unless you also invest in something like a Riverbed appliance. I'd have to guess that just the monthly bandwidth costs incurred from transferring large CAD files to and from Azure would be enormous.
This post was edited on 2/4/18 at 5:46 pm
Posted by aldawg2323
Lafayette
Member since Jan 2010
448 posts
Posted on 2/4/18 at 9:25 pm to
my understanding of cloud computing is that i dont have to pull the files off of the cloud, they remain there as does the CAD software. Our local machines are only used to view.

im sure this description is too simplistic. can you tell me where thats wrong?
Posted by ColdDuck
BR via da Parish
Member since Sep 2006
2893 posts
Posted on 2/4/18 at 9:35 pm to
Depends. Each scenario is different. If you are doing remote desktop, then yes, but that is a big no no for running AutoCAD. You need to have your local bad arse video card running Acad. So in your scenario, if the files are in the cloud and AutoCAD is local, you will essentially be downloading a file everytime you need to open one including all the associated files. Hence you need a fast pipe like others have said.

Many companies go the full remote desktop route, but that is not ideal for AutoCAD or other graphic intensive apps.
Posted by jdd48
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2012
22829 posts
Posted on 2/4/18 at 9:42 pm to
Yes, if you opt for a completely hosted solution where both the files and application live in the cloud. Then transfer speed becomes less of a concern. The issues then become storage costs and licensing fees, and what happens if you lose internet connectivity for an extended period. Also don't forget that just because everything is the cloud, it doesn't negate the need for disaster planning and proper backup.
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