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re: Long Ethernet run, patch cable question

Posted on 1/11/21 at 9:02 am to
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28705 posts
Posted on 1/11/21 at 9:02 am to
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What a pissing contest this turned into.
Here on the tech board we call pissing matches "learning opportunities".

Thanks to this thread I have learned some things about AWG sizes and category cable specs that I didn't know before. Thanks guys!
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 1/11/21 at 9:15 am to
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What a pissing contest this turned into
glad to see it happen to a thread i wasn't posting in
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
17969 posts
Posted on 1/11/21 at 9:28 am to
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Don't think that's true for DC.

According to the AWG chart, resistance depends on total cross-sectional circular area, not total strand "skin" surface area.


Electrons are the same for both DC and AC. They don't behave any differently.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
17969 posts
Posted on 1/11/21 at 9:31 am to
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If your surface area theory were correct,


It isn't a theory. it is a fact.

LINK

and yes, it is more applicable for AC and not as much DC but communication cables are not strictly DC. They have alternating signals down them. DC means steady voltage with no fluctuation. Once you start fluctuating DC voltages they will behave more like AC currents.
This post was edited on 1/11/21 at 9:38 am
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28705 posts
Posted on 1/11/21 at 8:34 pm to
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It isn't a theory. it is a fact.

The skin effect is a real thing. I was referring to your theory that a stranded conductor in category cable has less resistance than a solid one.

Once again, per the AWG chart, resistance is inversely proportional to the total strand cross-sectional area, NOT the total strand surface area.

Example:
4AWG solid conductor has a surface area of 1*(0.2043*pi)*12" = 7.7 square inches per foot of length.

4AWG stranded conductor has a surface area of 259*(0.0126*pi)*12" = 123 square inches per foot of length.

Nearly 16 times more surface area vs. solid, yet resistance is the same.

Or, if you think only the exposed surface area matters, then stranded has a minimum of 1*(0.2650*pi)*12 = 10 square inches per foot of length, though it's much higher due to the individual strands.

Still, a minimum of 30% more surface area, same resistance. Why? Because the cross-sectional area of stranded is 41,119 cmils vs 41,740 cmils for solid, a difference of only 1.5%.
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and yes, it is more applicable for AC and not as much DC but communication cables are not strictly DC. They have alternating signals down them. DC means steady voltage with no fluctuation. Once you start fluctuating DC voltages they will behave more like AC currents.
Do you have a link detailing how this applies to category cable used for ethernet? Or can you explain why literally every single recommendation which says solid conductors are better for longer runs is wrong? The link you provided even says the skin effect is negligible when the diameter is less than 1cm.

I really don't get why you're pushing this so hard.
Posted by 3deadtrolls
lafayette
Member since Jan 2014
5689 posts
Posted on 1/11/21 at 9:01 pm to
$28 on Amazon

This would accomplish what you're trying to do.
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
23890 posts
Posted on 1/12/21 at 3:47 pm to
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Dude, just buy the premade 100 foot cable and bury it.


I agree, but run it through some simple conduit from home depot/lowes/menards.
Posted by td1
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
2831 posts
Posted on 1/12/21 at 3:52 pm to
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Electrons are the same for both DC and AC. They don't behave any differently.


The electrons are the same, but they do behave a little differently. In DC they flow from Negate to Positive, in AC they cycle back and forth at the frequency of the alternator.

This did turn into a shite thread.

Buy a patch cable, any patch cable. Make your own, if you want. You will be fine at 100 feet solid or stranded.

Posted by ZydecoTigah
walker LA
Member since Sep 2010
447 posts
Posted on 1/12/21 at 6:45 pm to
I would go with cat 6 cable at a minimum, and if there is a chance for interference in the run, cat 7.
Posted by VABuckeye
Naples, FL
Member since Dec 2007
35498 posts
Posted on 1/12/21 at 10:25 pm to
Not necessary. What is much more important would be using cable rated outdoors and install it in a conduit. I’d also run CAT6 but only because it’s pretty cheap. CAT7 makes zero sense.
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