re: iOS 13 and 13.1 and 13.1.1 and 13.1.2 and 13.1.3 and 13............... Update

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“spending billions on very meh original tv+ content,”

Dunno about you but "See" is friggin badass!

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Not really on See, but even if it is for you it & other slate of shows are not really worth the billions spent or committed to TV+ that could be helping sure up its software (even more so with so many getting service free for a year which is only reason I am subscribed).

Ironically their own software shortcomings cause me to not see most of their shows’ Icons & info in TV app to even be reminded of them or use TV app’s up next with them because they can’t seem to get device restrictions & profiles correct on TVOS. They did at least give us back the option in TVOS 13.3 to switch back to seeing Up Next on top of main screen instead of commercials they have been showing since TVOS 13 was released which helps with watching across multiple supported apps as long as shows fit within restriction settings. At least I can go directly into other apps and still see & then watch any restricted shows (with override code) unlike in Apple TV app & Apple TV+ shows.

Also, IOS 13.3 has made email worse again for me which is strange as I am still using a SE like other poster with improved performance. Has to be something in email settings or account set ups that is causing differing performance with 13.3 on same model of device.

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Not really on See, but even if it is ‘friggin badass’ for you it & other slate of shows not really worth the billions spent or committed to TV+ that could be helping sure up its software (even more so with so many getting service free for a year which is only reason I am subscribed).

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Quite positive that their TV division/original programming is just outsourced to directors and actors. They're still spending a ton of cash on software. They're also separate from hardware.

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Ironically their own software shortcomings cause me to not see most of their shows’ Icons & info in TV app to even be reminded of them or use TV app’s up next with them because they can’t seem to get device restrictions & profiles correct on TVOS.

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That's not an Apple problem, that's a provider problem. As an example, Netflix isn't playing nice with them and won't let Netflix shows go to the Apple TV app. Same thing with YouTube TV.
Take those 2 vs. Hulu or even FuboTV and those 2 apps/content providers *DO* allow their content to be read from the Apple TV Application, including notifications.

For example, I get Apple TV notifications for when Alabama football/basketball is on Hulu. When we tried youtube TV, I only got the notification via Youtube TV but NOT the Apple TV app.
Hope that makes sense but it's provider based, not an Apple TV or Software issue.

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Also, IOS 13.3 has made email worse again for me which is strange as I am still using a SE like other poster with improved performance. Has to be something in email settings or account set ups that is causing differing performance with 13.3 on same model of device.

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Such as what? What's the issue? My email client on my phone is reading my google email and my outlook email. Seems ok to me?

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Quite positive that their TV division/original programming is just outsourced to directors and actors. They're still spending a ton of cash on software. They're also separate from hardware.

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It’s still billion$ better spent elsewhere with 13 and Catalina being very problematic regardless of being separate divisions or outsourced (especially giving it away to people probably buying hardware regardless of free service being included for a year). Even Apple has now admitted they need to change how they release software to avoid bugs that have come up with this fall’s software releases. I think this discussion is where I posted that story a while back.

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“Ironically their own software shortcomings cause me to not see most of their shows’ Icons & info in TV app to even be reminded of them or use TV app’s up next with them because they can’t seem to get device restrictions & profiles correct on TVOS.”


That's not an Apple problem, that's a provider problem. As an example, Netflix isn't playing nice with them and won't let Netflix shows go to the Apple TV app. Same thing with YouTube TV. Take those 2 vs. Hulu or even FuboTV and those 2 apps/content providers *DO* allow their content to be read from the Apple TV Application, including notifications.

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I am aware of how it works. I specifically mentioned their shows after just responding about Apple TV+ shows. It’s is definitely an Apple issue with their App, their TVOS with device wise restrictions but profiles working only through TV app, and/or their Apple TV+ service not having own app until they clean up restrictions and profile implementations. If rating restricted a rated R movie purchased from iTunes does not show up in TV app at all just like tv shows purchased from iTunes above my rating settings in restrictions, but at least with iTunes purchased movies & shows I can still directly use Movie app & TV show that were kept on TVOS to find & watch with override code just like directly using 3rd party apps like Prime that support TV app to watch show or movie there above rating using a set up override (will still not show on Up Next even with override). I can’t do this with Apple TV+ shows above rating restrictions as I have can only use TV app with service (same with with shows on Apple TV channels using TV app to subscribe & watch to like TV app’s HBO channel). I have to change device restriction settings completely back and forth each viewing or even just to see what’s new above rating. It’s not only a pain, but it also limits me seeing any reminders /ADs in TV app of those particular shows or newly released shows from Apple TV+ with restricted ratings when using TV app for something else.

I am not limited in this way from seeing icon or info for shows or movies using 3rd party apps including ones supporting TV app or even using Apple’s own iTunes Movie & TV show apps still on TVOS just their new service they are spending billions on and giving away for free which is kind of dumb on their part. They need to fix restrictions or better have full profile implementation, but even including a separate TV+ app that lists all available while requiring override code to actually view anything restricted would help temporarily.

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Such as what? What's the issue? My email client on my phone is reading my google email and my outlook email. Seems ok to me?

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Emails have been a problem for many with iOS 13. I referenced earlier poster saying 13.3 finally fixed their issue, and seeing they used same phone it was just strange as after it was slightly improving for myself with same phone over multiple updates to 13 my email reverted back to where it began with 13 after 13.3 update. Thats reason I included, “ Has to be something in email settings or account set ups that is causing differing performance with 13.3 on same model of device.”

Email on this last update is terrible. Email threads are unreadable. How is this so hard for Apple to get right?

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Anyone else update to 13.3.1 and their battery life is now horrible?

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Yes, I can't make it through the day anymore. My XR was going almost a full 2 days when I first got it. Battery health still shows 98%

13.4 is out. Anyone update yet?

I just updated:
-3 apple tv 4k
-2 ipads
-2 apple watches
-1 homepod
-2 apple iphones (pro 11 and 8plus)

I updated mine. Other than a couple of new Memoji stickers, I haven’t noticed much difference yet.

Which is probably a good thing

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Memoji - Nine new Memoji stickers, including Smiling Face with Hearts, Hands Pressed Together, and Party Face
Files - iCloud Drive folder sharing from the Files app - Controls to limit access only to people you explicitly invite or grant access to anyone with the folder link - Permissions to choose who can make changes and upload files and who can only view and download files
Mail - Always-visible controls to delete, move, reply to, or compose a message in conversation view - Responses to encrypted emails are automatically encrypted when you have configured S/MIME
App Store with Apple Arcade - Universal Purchase support enables the use of a singular purchase of a participating app across iPhone, iPod touch, iPad, Mac, and Apple TV - Recently played Arcade games appear in the Arcade tab so you can continue playing on iPhone, iPod touch, iPad, Mac, and Apple TV - List view for See All Games
CarPlay - Third-party navigation app support for the CarPlay Dashboard - In-call information appears on the CarPlay Dashboard
Augmented Reality - AR Quick Look supports audio playback in USDZ files
Keyboard - Predictive typing support for Arabic This update also includes bug fixes and other improvements.

iPadOS 13.4 introduces support for mouse and trackpad with iPad for greater precision and navigating the system with Multi-Touch gestures, and adds iCloud Drive folder sharing from the Files app and new Memoji stickers. This update also contains bug fixes and improvements.

Lists more of fixes below.

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https://www.macrumors.com/2020/03/24/apple-releases-ios-13-4/

I use the gmail app for work and the stock app for personal. I’m not having issues with either lately.