re: In the market for Video Editing PC - help

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BoogerNuts

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You should feel embarrassed.

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But apparently we're looking at a 10-15% speed boost over the 8350 because of the limited core count, so it's definitely not worth the extra cost at all.

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Yea by the time you add in the cost of a 4770K and the cost of an Intel mobo he would have to cut way back on too many other things that matter and all for very little gain.

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BoogerNuts


You should feel embarrassed.

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Besides buzz words he has yet to qualify what makes the Sabertooth better suited to OC an 8350.

I just can't resist. Had to clear this shite up for the sake of anyone else who wants facts and information.

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90+% of the guys there will tell you ASUS is the go to

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ASUS has been around a long time, and people tend to stick with brands they trust. ASUS's market presence has allowed them to build a reputation for quality (read: not too many problems, so stick with the devil you know. This is an extremely common and safe business practice in IT in general when it comes to brand sourcing). ASUS makes a wide variety of products with general satisfaction among its customers, so when you see their name on a product with limited selection (E.g., 990FX and X79), it's likely that the bigger company will have the largest market share. Not just "likely," but obviously.

Naturally, when you have it in your head that you want a certain brand for reasons that may or may not be sound, your tunnel vision interferes with any objective decision-making, your searches narrow to positive comments about your chosen brand and negative results about others. The fact is, the people on overclock.net are not as smart as you make them out to be. There are a handful of them who are extremely skilled and experienced and are prolific posters. I've even encountered a few who dwarf my knowledge significantly. But it's a forum, and forums are for the masses, and the masses assert their opinions right alongside the intelligent minority. Picking through the trash can be difficult. Case and point, the tech board.

If you search for "ASUS Sabertooth RMA" on overclock.net or google, you'll see countless threads about people with defective boards and shitty experiences with RMAs. But before you freak out, let me follow that by saying you can do that with literally every motherboard or other hardware on the market and find rants about "poor quality." No matter what brand you choose, there will always be 100 people who chose different. There's competition for a reason, and there are different price points for a reason.

I like ASUS. They sell excellent motherboards. So does MSI. So does ASRock. So does Gigabyte. Hell, I even have a Biostar board that's been tolerating a full fricking power load for the last 5 months 24/7 with 3 200+ watt GPUs that each pull 75w of power via the PCIe slots. All of the aforementioned brands, including ASUS, also sell shitty low-end boards. They all serve a purpose in the market. Recommending a Sabertooth for this particular build is just plain foolish.

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Spec wise, the ASRock might be very close to the ASUS, but the quality is definitely on the ASUS.

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Here's a fun fact that most Overclock.net members don't know: ASRock was a spin-off from ASUS. ASUStek broke itself up into ASUS and Pegatron, and ASRock became Pegatron's brand as it manufactured motherboards for ASUS and ASRock at the same time. Pegatron allows ASRock to compete with ASUS in multiple market segments.

ASUS's reputation was earned during the entire time that Pegatron was still manufacturing all of ASUS's motherboards, as recently as 2012-2013.

Guess who one of ASUS's manufacturers is now? ECS is one. Also Foxconn. Familiar names? Foxconn also makes hardware for major brands such as Dell, HP, Intel, Apple, Acer, Amazon, Blackberry, Cisco, Google, Microsoft, Motorola, Nintendo, Nokia, Sony, Toshiba, and Vizio. This market is incestuous like many others, and the number one discriminator is marketing. I'll let you search on your own about ECS and its track record over the years, like with their PCChips brand mobo.

You'd be surprised how incestuous things are when it comes to sourcing components for motherboards and the like, not just the fabrication of the PCBs, but the actual components, including capacitors and the amazing VRMs you rave about and think are necessary for a basic overclock on a hyper 212, or even an all-in-one LCLC.

I'm having flashbacks of the Tom debacle.

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Don't encourage him

Buy the second parts list I linked, watch the vids in this link, then put it together yourself. It's very easy and you will get exactly what you want and need and for the best price.

LINK

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Is there a point of diminishing returns?

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I don't see how there would be since you are actually getting better components and an overall better system than anything you can buy prebuilt.

I would never buy any of those PCs you linked earlier and for that much money. They all skimp on something somewhere. They have to in order to turn a profit.

If you don't want to put it together yourself than at the very least order the parts and add another $100 onto your budget to have a local PC shop do it for you.

You are still ahead of them game as far as getting the most bang for your buck.

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Is it really worth the time and trouble?

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Yes for the reason mentioned earlier.

Those Cyberpower PCs you linked will have some shitty mobo in them, probably like a 760 series, to run an FX chipset that is supposed to be on a 990 board. Then they put the absolute biggest POS GPU in them they can find and use advertising buzzwords to make you think it's better than sliced bread when in actuality that same PC can be built for $700 vs the $1100 they are asking for it.

One thing I noticed about them is they do shite like add 32GB of ram instead of 16GB. No one will ever need 32GB but to the people that don't know any better 32 has to be better than 16...right? No. Even with you doing video stuff, you will never even max out 16 much less need 32. It's so stupid but that's how they sell those crappy PCs and distract people from the lesser components in the build.

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I don't see how there would be since you are actually getting better components and an overall better system than anything you can buy prebuilt.

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So stout.... I went back to the link you posted for a parts list and it now makes muck mores sense.

Stupid questions...

1. what's the purpose of this item? A-Data Premier Pro SP600 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive Is this for the exclusive use of the video card?

2. In one of the NewEgg tutorial videos, he uses an adhesive to mount the cooling fan. Will your suggested list require same?

3. My monitors have DVI connectors. Does your list provide for these connectors in back of the case?

4. I don't see a line item for a cooling fan. Included, yes??

Thanks for you help....