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re: Casey Neistat's Apple Vision Pro review
Posted on 2/7/24 at 2:00 pm to jp4lsu
Posted on 2/7/24 at 2:00 pm to jp4lsu
quote:Sure, for now, but these are early days. Over time it will be normalized and at the same time the tech will improve so they look more like normal glasses. It will all meet in the middle at "normal".
These people look like fools.
quote:Some might, but that's short-sighted thinking IMO. We haven't even scratched the surface of the types of applications that will eventually be developed. VR is cool and all, and it has its uses in training and of course gaming. But AR I think is where we will find a ton of value in the near future. I will make a short list:
So lets live in a make believe world that we care more about than the real world.
- Firefighting: There is already some AR tech in use here, but we are on the verge of giving firefighters an HUD that lets them see through smoke, see in infrared, find hot spots, find people faster, perhaps noise-cancel the fire and amplify voices with visual direction indicators, mapping and navigation through dark and smoke-filled buildings, etc. This will be a game-changer.
- Technicians in many fields: much time is lost finding and reading manuals, documentation, etc. I personally lose a lot of time going back and forth from working on a piece of equipment to the docs, whether paper hard copies or digital on a phone or youtube or whatever. At this point we are not far off from being able to simply touch or point at a piece of equipment or a part within the equipment and have the docs in view instantly. Minimal mental context switching, no hand washing, just information when and where you need it.
- Office workers, or anyone who looks at a screen most of the day: as many screens as you need, of whatever size, whenever and wherever you need them. This can be a huge productivity booster for loads of people, and it will save desk space and electricity and reduce electronic waste.
There are tons of other applications where AR can add value, both thought of and as yet unthought of. Smart phones brought the world's information to our fingertips, headsets will bring information to our eyeballs. But it might just be a stop-gap solution until Neuralink is able to download information directly into our brains Matrix-style. Might be a 100 year stop-gap.
As for just wearing or carrying them around in day to day life, I think we will see some just for the cool-factor of having a Terminator style HUD everywhere you go. The tech will have to advance before they are as ubiquitous as cell phones though.
Note that this post relates to VR/AR headsets in general, not specifically Apple's version, but I think Apple and their money entering the field will help to move things along.
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Posted on 2/8/24 at 1:31 pm to Korkstand
For anyone who is a futurist, I highly recommend Kevin Kelly's "The Inevitable." He's been spot-on repeatedly.
He envisions this (like Meta) as varying levels of immersion. Eventually you'll have your basic everyday/all the time glasses or implants that allow spatial computing, AR and environment interaction. They'll likely just look like Oakleys or something. But you'll also have more immersive environments such as full-on gaming rigs and working rigs where you're in a true VR environment but require wired connections and a power supply.
For the people saying, "They look dumb." No shite... this is Gen 1 technology. As with everything, it will just get more integrated, smaller, and more powerful as advancements happen.
The spatial computing bit where he was sitting on a bench with a virtual keyboard to his left, another screen to the middle and a third screen to the right, all seamlessly appearing as he turned his head... yeah. That one got me.
He envisions this (like Meta) as varying levels of immersion. Eventually you'll have your basic everyday/all the time glasses or implants that allow spatial computing, AR and environment interaction. They'll likely just look like Oakleys or something. But you'll also have more immersive environments such as full-on gaming rigs and working rigs where you're in a true VR environment but require wired connections and a power supply.
For the people saying, "They look dumb." No shite... this is Gen 1 technology. As with everything, it will just get more integrated, smaller, and more powerful as advancements happen.
The spatial computing bit where he was sitting on a bench with a virtual keyboard to his left, another screen to the middle and a third screen to the right, all seamlessly appearing as he turned his head... yeah. That one got me.
This post was edited on 2/8/24 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 2/8/24 at 2:46 pm to tiggerthetooth
quote:
You can see how Meta is moving from both ends of the spectrum maybe hoping to meet in the middle, while apple is sort of trying to start at the "middle", even though I think apples is just trying to get into the game period before others take over.
If you listen to Tim Cook talk about AR, it seems clear that his vision of the future lies closer to the “glasses” end of the spectrum than the “goggles” end.
I think Apple has two problems:
1. They are late to the party and they have to start somewhere.
2. They are Apple, and feel they need to be revolutionary (whether you believe they are or not) when they enter a market.
From what I understand, the display and battery technology to revolutionize the “glasses” end of the market just isn’t there yet. Meanwhile, the “goggles” end of the market is getting pretty saturated. Also, Tim Cook has made no secret of his belief that AR, not VR, is the future.
So it seems they kind of had to compromise on something in between to capitalize on their available tech without being a complete rehash of what everyone else is doing (though I realize that second point is debatable).
I think their actual end goal is to have VisionOS in a glasses-like package, but they need to get their tech off the ground so that they don’t get left in the dust in the meantime. Maybe they believe the Vision Pro will actually be a hit for people who want “productive” VR, but at this price it feels more like a concept IMO.
Posted on 2/8/24 at 3:34 pm to lynxcat
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think Casey is spot on for where this is going. It’s eventually some version of glasses that replaces everything else and is an extension of the person
So now people will be able to live in their own little bubble even when they are in public.
Should make them good targets for pickpockets at least
Posted on 2/9/24 at 10:09 am to HailToTheChiz
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It's not reasonable to expect your average person to purchase this at the current cost
And current format.
The bulk and weight of the device is going to be off-putting to many. As is the way with technology though, it will likely get smaller, lighter and cost less over time.
Once they get to (as another poster mentioned) being about the size and weight of a pair of Oakley's, the level of acceptance will likely skyrocket. Consider this: what's going to be more convenient to the average person, having smart phone to communicate through (including games) and a pair of sunglasses or a pair of sunglasses that also does everything their smart phone does?
I wouldn't be shocked to see them at least adapt the tech to the point where vision-correcting glasses are AR screens instead of (or in addition to) prescription lenses.
Posted on 2/9/24 at 3:22 pm to Bard
quote:Then later Neuralink will hopefully pipe video directly into the brain to let the blind see.
I wouldn't be shocked to see them at least adapt the tech to the point where vision-correcting glasses are AR screens instead of (or in addition to) prescription lenses.
Posted on 2/13/24 at 11:28 am to iPadThai
IDK if anyone else here listens to All-In or not, but they have decent perspectives on tech at times and were discussing this the other day... applications like field workers being able to automatically log maintenance, scan information off a piece of equipment automatically, pull up manuals, etc.
An application they mentioned more on the "its a toy" spectrum of things that is currently has functionality for: watching movies on flights. They said if you fly economy a lot its a gamechanger, you're totally immersed in the movie. I hate flying so that part is interesting to me.
An application they mentioned more on the "its a toy" spectrum of things that is currently has functionality for: watching movies on flights. They said if you fly economy a lot its a gamechanger, you're totally immersed in the movie. I hate flying so that part is interesting to me.
Posted on 2/13/24 at 5:27 pm to VolSquatch
Yeah I see all of that. I think the tech is not quite there yet for it, as the battery life is generally poor, the headsets are heavy.. but it's just a matter of time before the tech scales down in size and weight.
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