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burnout advice needed (long)
Posted on 11/6/20 at 9:56 am
Posted on 11/6/20 at 9:56 am
figured I'd post this here since I'm sure it has the highest concentration of people in tech/programming related fields, and actually has people that offer constructive feedback...
I am not a person that struggles with motivation. If I want to learn a new subject, I learn it. If I want to pick up a new hobby, I do the work to figure it out. If I want to get in shape, I get in shape. But over the past few months - every day, I come into my office, sit down at my desk, and it is an absolute war to force myself to do my job if there isn't a time sensitive aspect to it. It’s not like I'm relaxing or entertaining myself or anything like that. I pull up what I need to work on, try to think about the problem I'm trying to solve, and it's like the windows spinning wheel is going, but...nothing happens.
Every day around 3 or 4pm, I start freaking out, realizing I've gotten almost nothing done, and then the onset of a mild panic (I guess out of fear of being fired) is enough to finally start to get an actual output from my mental processes. I end up working late to make up for it, so every day, I end up spending 9 or more hours at the office, to really get only 3-4 hours of actual work done, and, because this keeps happening - by the time I get home, I'm so stressed out, both from that end-of-day panic and from not being able to fix it, that all I can do is try to shut my brain off by watching something mindless I don't even enjoy.
I am clearly burned out, but the real problem is that this is actually the second time this has happened to me in three years, and while both times involved crappy job situations in which I felt trapped, and both times there were some life related stressors surely amplifying the situation, I'm starting to wonder if I'm simply not the right personality type for a purely technical field. At the same time, there are so many conflicting variables involved this time that I’m struggling to sort through, but I really don't think I could survive another one of these if I end up making this mistake again – so I figured I should probably get some second opinions to my own.
In my last role, I had about a 50/50 split between time spent in solo technical/analytics work and standard business operations working with others in the company. My current job was sold to me as being closer to 75/25 in favor of solo technical work, but it's really ended up being more like 95%. I work in an office, but no one on my team is in this office, so I'm basically a remote employee that still commutes. It's a small but successful company, and my overall boss is a borderline genius but he is constantly being pulled in 20 different directions, so I fluctuate between having almost nothing to do and having complex projects dumped on me with little direction and having to figure it out on my own, which wouldn't be as big of an issue if I had experience in this industry, but I don’t, so all I really have to fall back on are my technical skills. Seems to me that there are four possibilities:
1) The job is fine, but I’m in the wrong role: this job really isn’t that bad. It’s frustrating not having opportunities to add value, but my boss is nice, I’m not being hounded for my productivity level or anything, I have a lot of latitude, and the compensation is good. If most people with my skillset would love to have this job, how can I blame the job? Writing sql and building models all day is just not what I’m wired to do. I’m probably similar to my dad, personality wise. He started as an engineer, but quickly learned he made a better manager of engineers than an actual engineer. I’m an effective leader and enjoy figuring out how different pieces fit together within larger systems of people. Just doing technical work, I start to feel like a cpu that’s being run 24/7 at a constant overclock.
2) It’s the job: if I were in a role with the same title but a little more interaction, feedback, and opportunity to add value, I would be fine
3) It’s my life outside of work: I’m not interacting much with people outside of work. I’m not dating anyone, and while covid certainly didn’t help, I haven’t done the work to try and build a new social circle after having moved cities, yet again. Only problem with this theory is that I do currently live with a good friend of mine, I do have one hobby that’s somewhat social, and I do have a pretty awesome dog - and the last time I got burned out, I had none of those things, and no lockdowns to blame it on.
4) My overall career goals/priorities are not aligned with things I care deeply about: I played poker professionally for four years after school, and being a cash game player, I seem to have broken the normal human reward mechanisms for status/achievement, along with the value of money. I’ve had money, and I’ve been broke. I’ve traveled to exotic places, and I’ve traveled to shithole casinos. I’ve lived in nice places, and I’ve lived in shitholes. None of it seemed to have much of a correlation with my happiness. I have a lot of ideas for ways to have an actual impact on things (and not grandiose ideas on how to fix society - viable ideas about how to use analytics to solve problems that may reduce specific types of human suffering), but I seem to be stuck in a mode where I’m running on pure ego. I tell myself that if I just get to the end of the day, I’ll be ok. If I get to the weekend, I’ll be ok. If I get to the next rung of the career ladder, things will be better, but they never are.
I’m 31, so if it’s #1, and I don’t change my long-term role soon, it will be harder to fight being pigeonholed into my current role down the road. I would probably go the route of an MBA from UT if I settle on this, but that's a tough school, and I don’t know how the hell I will manage studying for the gmat in my current mental state. If I act like it’s #3 and it’s not, then it will only mask the issue for a while. If I treat 1, 2, or 3, and it ends up being 4, then I’ll be too old to go back to school, the risk to pursue it will be too high, or I’ll have a family and won’t be able to, and I will regret it forever.
I don’t know what to do anymore. At this point, I’m not sure I would even care if I am fired, because at least that would mean that something would have to change. All I really know is that continuing to pretend nothing is wrong is the worst choice I can make, so any input would be greatly appreciated.
I am not a person that struggles with motivation. If I want to learn a new subject, I learn it. If I want to pick up a new hobby, I do the work to figure it out. If I want to get in shape, I get in shape. But over the past few months - every day, I come into my office, sit down at my desk, and it is an absolute war to force myself to do my job if there isn't a time sensitive aspect to it. It’s not like I'm relaxing or entertaining myself or anything like that. I pull up what I need to work on, try to think about the problem I'm trying to solve, and it's like the windows spinning wheel is going, but...nothing happens.
Every day around 3 or 4pm, I start freaking out, realizing I've gotten almost nothing done, and then the onset of a mild panic (I guess out of fear of being fired) is enough to finally start to get an actual output from my mental processes. I end up working late to make up for it, so every day, I end up spending 9 or more hours at the office, to really get only 3-4 hours of actual work done, and, because this keeps happening - by the time I get home, I'm so stressed out, both from that end-of-day panic and from not being able to fix it, that all I can do is try to shut my brain off by watching something mindless I don't even enjoy.
I am clearly burned out, but the real problem is that this is actually the second time this has happened to me in three years, and while both times involved crappy job situations in which I felt trapped, and both times there were some life related stressors surely amplifying the situation, I'm starting to wonder if I'm simply not the right personality type for a purely technical field. At the same time, there are so many conflicting variables involved this time that I’m struggling to sort through, but I really don't think I could survive another one of these if I end up making this mistake again – so I figured I should probably get some second opinions to my own.
In my last role, I had about a 50/50 split between time spent in solo technical/analytics work and standard business operations working with others in the company. My current job was sold to me as being closer to 75/25 in favor of solo technical work, but it's really ended up being more like 95%. I work in an office, but no one on my team is in this office, so I'm basically a remote employee that still commutes. It's a small but successful company, and my overall boss is a borderline genius but he is constantly being pulled in 20 different directions, so I fluctuate between having almost nothing to do and having complex projects dumped on me with little direction and having to figure it out on my own, which wouldn't be as big of an issue if I had experience in this industry, but I don’t, so all I really have to fall back on are my technical skills. Seems to me that there are four possibilities:
1) The job is fine, but I’m in the wrong role: this job really isn’t that bad. It’s frustrating not having opportunities to add value, but my boss is nice, I’m not being hounded for my productivity level or anything, I have a lot of latitude, and the compensation is good. If most people with my skillset would love to have this job, how can I blame the job? Writing sql and building models all day is just not what I’m wired to do. I’m probably similar to my dad, personality wise. He started as an engineer, but quickly learned he made a better manager of engineers than an actual engineer. I’m an effective leader and enjoy figuring out how different pieces fit together within larger systems of people. Just doing technical work, I start to feel like a cpu that’s being run 24/7 at a constant overclock.
2) It’s the job: if I were in a role with the same title but a little more interaction, feedback, and opportunity to add value, I would be fine
3) It’s my life outside of work: I’m not interacting much with people outside of work. I’m not dating anyone, and while covid certainly didn’t help, I haven’t done the work to try and build a new social circle after having moved cities, yet again. Only problem with this theory is that I do currently live with a good friend of mine, I do have one hobby that’s somewhat social, and I do have a pretty awesome dog - and the last time I got burned out, I had none of those things, and no lockdowns to blame it on.
4) My overall career goals/priorities are not aligned with things I care deeply about: I played poker professionally for four years after school, and being a cash game player, I seem to have broken the normal human reward mechanisms for status/achievement, along with the value of money. I’ve had money, and I’ve been broke. I’ve traveled to exotic places, and I’ve traveled to shithole casinos. I’ve lived in nice places, and I’ve lived in shitholes. None of it seemed to have much of a correlation with my happiness. I have a lot of ideas for ways to have an actual impact on things (and not grandiose ideas on how to fix society - viable ideas about how to use analytics to solve problems that may reduce specific types of human suffering), but I seem to be stuck in a mode where I’m running on pure ego. I tell myself that if I just get to the end of the day, I’ll be ok. If I get to the weekend, I’ll be ok. If I get to the next rung of the career ladder, things will be better, but they never are.
I’m 31, so if it’s #1, and I don’t change my long-term role soon, it will be harder to fight being pigeonholed into my current role down the road. I would probably go the route of an MBA from UT if I settle on this, but that's a tough school, and I don’t know how the hell I will manage studying for the gmat in my current mental state. If I act like it’s #3 and it’s not, then it will only mask the issue for a while. If I treat 1, 2, or 3, and it ends up being 4, then I’ll be too old to go back to school, the risk to pursue it will be too high, or I’ll have a family and won’t be able to, and I will regret it forever.
I don’t know what to do anymore. At this point, I’m not sure I would even care if I am fired, because at least that would mean that something would have to change. All I really know is that continuing to pretend nothing is wrong is the worst choice I can make, so any input would be greatly appreciated.
Posted on 11/6/20 at 10:12 am to el duderino III
Well I definitely wouldn't hire you now!
Posted on 11/6/20 at 1:48 pm to el duderino III
quote:
I don’t know what to do anymore.
Snort some adderall
Posted on 11/6/20 at 2:37 pm to el duderino III
Sound like the dude that hated his job on Office space
Hang in there!
Hang in there!
Posted on 11/6/20 at 3:26 pm to FLTech
Everyday is the worst day of my life


This post was edited on 11/6/20 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 11/6/20 at 3:35 pm to el duderino III
You wrote a lot about yourself here.
It sounds like you want a promotion and it isn't happening.
Maybe it's not happening because you aren't enthusiastic and productive enough in your current role.
You should sit down with your boss and talk about what you've written here and lay out a career path.
If your boss isn't receptive, you have 2 choices: you look for a more satisfying job or reconcile yourself in your current situation.
It sounds like you want a promotion and it isn't happening.
Maybe it's not happening because you aren't enthusiastic and productive enough in your current role.
You should sit down with your boss and talk about what you've written here and lay out a career path.
If your boss isn't receptive, you have 2 choices: you look for a more satisfying job or reconcile yourself in your current situation.
This post was edited on 11/7/20 at 8:52 am
Posted on 11/6/20 at 6:40 pm to el duderino III
Try a carnivore diet for a month. It will help you focus and raise T
Posted on 11/6/20 at 7:49 pm to el duderino III
I think gone are the days in tech of working for the same company for 40yrs. Maybe you need a fresh challenge and paycheck. If you aren't happy where you are I'd challenge you to find a job a step up from where you are with a new company. Give yourself a promotion and introduce a little chaos.
Posted on 11/7/20 at 8:18 am to el duderino III
I left several programming jobs 3+ years in for exactly the same reasons you describe here. Switched careers and am finding myself much more fulfilled as the level of interaction is much more to my satisfaction along with getting to do more hands on work with the infrastructure. Coding skills have gotten a bit rusty but that comes with the territory. The comp ceiling is much higher as well, although new industry was hit hard by Covid.
Posted on 11/8/20 at 1:58 pm to GurleyGirl
quote:It really isn't about a promotion, it's a small company and there really isn't a role to promote me into. My title and compensation are just fine, it's more that the opportunity for projects that allow me to add value and/or develop my skills just are not there.
It sounds like you want a promotion and it isn't happening.
Maybe it's not happening because you aren't enthusiastic and productive enough in your current role.
So then the question becomes, if I struggle when the assignment mix i'm given is not "just right", is it actually the case that I'm just not wired right for the type of work in my field?
This post was edited on 11/8/20 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 11/8/20 at 2:08 pm to TigerRagAndrew
quote:So you left multiple jobs after 3+ year stints, and then switched careers? How many? What specifically did you switch to? Did you have to go back to school for it?
I left several programming jobs 3+ years in for exactly the same reasons you describe here. Switched careers and am finding myself much more fulfilled as the level of interaction is much more to my satisfaction along with getting to do more hands on work with the infrastructure.
This post was edited on 11/8/20 at 4:59 pm
Posted on 11/8/20 at 7:18 pm to el duderino III
Join the Army while you still can, do your 20, get out with your retirement at 51. They will keep you motivated and you already work 9+ hours a day. It’s perfect.
Posted on 11/8/20 at 7:42 pm to Philzilla2k
At what age can you join the army? Theyd let someone join in their early 30s?
Posted on 11/8/20 at 8:08 pm to tiggerthetooth
I think to enlist its 34, to be commissioned 27 maybe?
These numbers change depending on recruiting needs.
These numbers change depending on recruiting needs.
This post was edited on 11/8/20 at 8:15 pm
Posted on 11/9/20 at 2:46 am to el duderino III
I work in I.T. as well and there is alot of burnout in this field. It can get very stressful at times and be boring at times. Hang in there man.
Posted on 11/9/20 at 9:24 am to el duderino III
I understand your feelings. I'm not in I.T. but I struggle with being bored and lazy at the same time. Over the years, I have created various businesses (side jobs) to keep my life interesting like embroidery, screen printing, vinyl, photography, large format printing, honey bees, videography etc.
However, now I'm feeling empty myself. I feel like it's mainly because of the internet instant society we have. Sometimes I feel like I would be happier to disconnect and get away somewhere Amish like and have to work to live. Right now, I don't even want for anything except satisfaction. That seems unobtainable at the moment.
However, now I'm feeling empty myself. I feel like it's mainly because of the internet instant society we have. Sometimes I feel like I would be happier to disconnect and get away somewhere Amish like and have to work to live. Right now, I don't even want for anything except satisfaction. That seems unobtainable at the moment.
Posted on 11/9/20 at 10:05 am to el duderino III
Going back to school was not required. I was fortunate to be in a developer role at an organization that was unable to fill an opening they had in their engineering department which resulted from a retirement.
This role works with proprietary hardware and software and involved getting hands on with installing and supporting that infrastructure.
I got an internal recommendation and they were willing to accept 0 experience due to that.
This role works with proprietary hardware and software and involved getting hands on with installing and supporting that infrastructure.
I got an internal recommendation and they were willing to accept 0 experience due to that.
Posted on 11/9/20 at 4:27 pm to el duderino III
Are you a programmer? If so, what languages or frameworks are you working in?
Posted on 11/9/20 at 5:39 pm to el duderino III
Have you considered writing short stories... looooonnnnngggggggggggg
Posted on 11/10/20 at 8:34 am to BobRoss
I'm not technically a programmer, but I use SQL and R quite a bit. I work in predictive analytics.
I'm starting to lean towards changing my job while continuing to work on my life outside of work, since those two are the least permanent of the four options. I can still come back to one of the other two options in a year or two if things end up here again.
I'm starting to lean towards changing my job while continuing to work on my life outside of work, since those two are the least permanent of the four options. I can still come back to one of the other two options in a year or two if things end up here again.
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