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AI garbage in garage out
Posted on 7/30/26 at 7:50 am
Posted on 7/30/26 at 7:50 am
Had a weird moment yesterday at work. We had a vendor quote us $8k for some dev work, 5-6 week timeline and $2k yearly maintenance to keep it running.
I was on a teams call for an unrelated project when I started getting burned up with messages because this was way over budget for this other effort.
I started "doodling" in AI asking if that price was reasonable and here's the basic specs.
AI diligently went into excruciating detail as to everything that needed to happen, gave me developer pricing anywhere from $45hr up to $200hr depending on the shop, gave me total project costs ranging from $6-$13k and even asked if I wanted it to prepare a plan and find a suitable development shop.
I scratched my head for a minute and then said "can't you just do it for me?"
Literally 2 minutes later it gave me the project files, hardened code, API configuration and gave me the option to connect it to my personal Google apps as a proof of concept and 20 minutes after that I had it deployed and tested.
Still on my other call the entire time..mind you.
Hung up and joined the other meeting to discuss the quote and timeline and I said "no worries this is already built and deployed to our AWS sandbox to test."
The look on their faces...
The point being, AI will happily lead you right off the side of cliff with a smile on it's face...
I was on a teams call for an unrelated project when I started getting burned up with messages because this was way over budget for this other effort.
I started "doodling" in AI asking if that price was reasonable and here's the basic specs.
AI diligently went into excruciating detail as to everything that needed to happen, gave me developer pricing anywhere from $45hr up to $200hr depending on the shop, gave me total project costs ranging from $6-$13k and even asked if I wanted it to prepare a plan and find a suitable development shop.
I scratched my head for a minute and then said "can't you just do it for me?"
Literally 2 minutes later it gave me the project files, hardened code, API configuration and gave me the option to connect it to my personal Google apps as a proof of concept and 20 minutes after that I had it deployed and tested.
Still on my other call the entire time..mind you.
Hung up and joined the other meeting to discuss the quote and timeline and I said "no worries this is already built and deployed to our AWS sandbox to test."
The look on their faces...
The point being, AI will happily lead you right off the side of cliff with a smile on it's face...
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Posted on 7/30/26 at 10:06 am to CAD703X
I had a project to review and approve 13 approximately 1,000 page lists of controls, in PDFs, which was scheduled for 4 months. Much of this time was allocated because of the scut work of extracting the controls, conditions, and target state from the PDFs and dumping them into 13 spreadsheets for review with the implementation teams.
My idiot self realized I should just act ChatGPT to do it for me. A couple of test runs of refining the extraction method (over about 4 hours,) and I had 13 spreadsheets ready to roll, and the only work left was to schedule about 30 meetings to review with the tech owners over the four month period. The client insists I bill them for the full four months of time, but when I try to find additional ways to help them out, they rebuff me and tell me to stick to the SoW, where I have almost nothing to do.
My idiot self realized I should just act ChatGPT to do it for me. A couple of test runs of refining the extraction method (over about 4 hours,) and I had 13 spreadsheets ready to roll, and the only work left was to schedule about 30 meetings to review with the tech owners over the four month period. The client insists I bill them for the full four months of time, but when I try to find additional ways to help them out, they rebuff me and tell me to stick to the SoW, where I have almost nothing to do.
Posted on 7/30/26 at 10:18 am to LemmyLives
its insanity world right now.
we have a MASSIVE dichotomy right now of what people are doing (legacy) vs knowing you can use a couple of prompts and a $20/mo AI account to do the same thing in minutes or hours.
we have a VERY high profile app in the apple app store right now built by an overseas developer and we are about to release a major update to V2 going to thousands of customers who have a very low tolerance for defects.
language/cultural and time zone barriers have literally made the update process so painful that we gave up on UX changes and the bar has been lowered to just showstopper/pedagogical issues only.
the UX is AWFUL. looks like someone just got an apple app store 'my first app' kit and put it together.
I 100% know if someone would give me access to the source code and Ai for about an hour, i could make it looks super modern and polished and worthy of the price we are charging our customers.
but they wont.
its absolutely maddening that these developer refuse to make these changes. i could post a couple of examples..the app doesn't even survive the ipad going from landscape to portait mode without the entire UX going haywire.
so so frustrating but i'm just a cog in a giant wheel and despite begging my company to send me to XXXXX for a couple of days to sit onsite with the devlopers; due to politics that's not allowed.
crazy. it doesnt have to be this way.
This post was edited on 7/30/26 at 10:20 am
Posted on 7/30/26 at 11:30 am to CAD703X
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so so frustrating but i'm just a cog in a giant wheel and despite begging my company to send me to XXXXX for a couple of days to sit onsite with the devlopers; due to politics that's not allowed.
If they are in India, you don't want to actually do this :)
Zoom call would be waaaay better.
Posted on 7/30/26 at 11:36 am to j1897
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If they are in India, you don't want to actually do this :)
Zoom call would be waaaay better.
they arent but if i say the country it may be too much of a giveaway. and yes, zoom, etc. is fine too; i just have learned from experience that its much easier to fix something in person.
This post was edited on 7/30/26 at 11:38 am
Posted on 7/30/26 at 2:21 pm to CAD703X
Don’t worry, someone is working on an angle with AI to take your uber important teams meeting job
Posted on 7/30/26 at 10:13 pm to CAD703X
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The point being, AI will happily lead you right off the side of cliff with a smile on it's face..
The point I took away is your next comment
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its insanity world right now. we have a MASSIVE dichotomy right now of what people are doing (legacy) vs knowing you can use a couple of prompts and a $20/mo AI account to do the same thing in minutes or hours.
I had a similar experience today when a junior level guy was talking on a call about code he was working on and said he needed a few more days. Before the call was over I handed him complete code and docs using my $20 month account
Subject matter experts that know how to write good prompts are going to rule the world.
Posted on 7/30/26 at 11:27 pm to CAD703X
Just wait until you get off chatGPT or enterprise version Claude Code and into approve all terminal bliss. You will NEVER have that problem. I promise. More like why the f did you refactor the codebase I told you not to touch.
Posted on 7/31/26 at 7:53 am to hob
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I had a similar experience today when a junior level guy was talking on a call about code he was working on and said he needed a few more days. Before the call was over I handed him complete code and docs using my $20 month account
Great way to kill his confidence and teach him the wrong way to go about things IMO. He's actively trying to learn as a junior and you're telling him "nahhh... just use the magic answer box."
Posted on 7/31/26 at 10:56 am to jdd48
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He's actively trying to learn as a junior and you're telling him "nahhh... just use the magic answer box."
Posted on 7/31/26 at 11:44 am to CAD703X
It's not the same thing. A calculator is deterministic and mostly serves as a tool to assist some process. AI is not deterministic and is actually performing the process, not assisting it. Critical thinking and overall deep process understanding will be lost at some point if everything just comes out of the magic answer box.
I have found some great use cases for AI myself and don't feel I am an AI doubter. I just feel that when it becomes the tool instead of a tool to assist, it crosses into territory that could be detrimental to employee development.
I have found some great use cases for AI myself and don't feel I am an AI doubter. I just feel that when it becomes the tool instead of a tool to assist, it crosses into territory that could be detrimental to employee development.
Posted on 7/31/26 at 11:55 am to jdd48
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It's not the same thing. A calculator is deterministic and mostly serves as a tool to assist some process. AI is not deterministic and is actually performing the process, not assisting it. Critical thinking and overall deep process understanding will be lost at some point if everything just comes out of the magic answer box.
I have found some great use cases for AI myself and don't feel I am an AI doubter. I just feel that when it becomes the tool instead of a tool to assist, it crosses into territory that could be detrimental to employee development.
i get that.
but at some point, your ability to properly prompt and debug a proposed ai solution does fall back into your 'deterministic' basket.
take my example above. it was a really easy ask conceptually, i wanted certain data reported on and stored at a location provided by our partner that didnt exist when the initial project was built.
i used 'deterministic' logic by knowing that the payload was available, the AWS instance already existed and was secure and all that was missing was mining the information requested, formatting it properly, sending it to a remote reciever all using a secure API and then for good measure, having that info sent in an email as well that was already setup for monitoring.
all of those things were easy enough to verify and test and easy to follow along with the logic AI used and why.
but i also understand your point..how would a 'new' developer who never had to do the critical thinking or doesn't even understand how to add error checking and debugging tools..and even understanding how to present user test cases...be able to build something robust or reliable?
Posted on 7/31/26 at 7:15 pm to CAD703X
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AI garbage in garage out
Did AI write the thread title for you?
Had co polit prep me for a meeting yesterday I've been procrastinating like crazy on for weeks.
Gave me talking points, questions to ask and even mocked up a RACI in less than 5 min. (2 even).
Crushed it
Posted on 7/31/26 at 8:34 pm to CAD703X
I don't think the average joe who gives AI a spin and says "nothing special" fully understands how to use it.
I work for one of the largest FIs in the world in cyber. We are guns blazing full speed ahead being pushed to use AI.
It's incredible how much copilot with GPT 5.6 thinking mode can accomplish. It has saved me hours upon hours.
But then it's not beyond me to spend 30 minutes telling it to stop being stupid trying to make a PowerPoint look good when by the time it does the right thing I could have just done it myself.
It's so smart, but also mega dumb sometimes. Part of becoming AI literate is just getting the feel for when it's being stupid.
The average joe punches random shite into chat gpt instant models like it's Google in 2005 and thinks " cool party trick but no big deal."
But with context of your projects and notes it's so insanely powerful with better models.
I work for one of the largest FIs in the world in cyber. We are guns blazing full speed ahead being pushed to use AI.
It's incredible how much copilot with GPT 5.6 thinking mode can accomplish. It has saved me hours upon hours.
But then it's not beyond me to spend 30 minutes telling it to stop being stupid trying to make a PowerPoint look good when by the time it does the right thing I could have just done it myself.
It's so smart, but also mega dumb sometimes. Part of becoming AI literate is just getting the feel for when it's being stupid.
The average joe punches random shite into chat gpt instant models like it's Google in 2005 and thinks " cool party trick but no big deal."
But with context of your projects and notes it's so insanely powerful with better models.
This post was edited on 7/31/26 at 8:36 pm
Posted on 8/1/26 at 7:22 am to CAD703X
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hardened code,
I am curious about the software cliff we are heading off towards. Huge surface areas of code never seen that will be abused in the upcoming years as no one will maintain any of this stuff.
Not much different than in the past, but the amount of code being generated these days is massive. And the majority of it is the "run once test" type of solutions
Posted on 8/1/26 at 8:51 am to UltimaParadox
That’s what dependency bot is for.
Posted on 8/1/26 at 8:56 am to UltimaParadox
Well it can be analyzed by better tools in the future and no offense to our development shop but for this type of things I trust what it generated and the error checking and debugging features it baked in.
Your point is taken but this isn't air traffic scheduling software, it's just grabbing the payload from the AWS app that's been in place for 20 years and passing to a remote receiver which is parsing the data and feeding a reporting tool along with an email notification as a 'backup' along with storing the raw JSON itself that can be inspected.
Not rocket science and no way I would have the time or patience to do this myself but I know enough of how software works to read the summary of how this was built and feel confident it meets our needs.
It's JavaScript, html and a Google apps script. Easy enough for any AI or masochistic human to come along and modify.
The argument that AI spits out code nobody can fix later on is losing its power as a talking point because the tools have evolved to the point that bad code can absolutely be fixed and improved upon.
Your point is taken but this isn't air traffic scheduling software, it's just grabbing the payload from the AWS app that's been in place for 20 years and passing to a remote receiver which is parsing the data and feeding a reporting tool along with an email notification as a 'backup' along with storing the raw JSON itself that can be inspected.
Not rocket science and no way I would have the time or patience to do this myself but I know enough of how software works to read the summary of how this was built and feel confident it meets our needs.
It's JavaScript, html and a Google apps script. Easy enough for any AI or masochistic human to come along and modify.
The argument that AI spits out code nobody can fix later on is losing its power as a talking point because the tools have evolved to the point that bad code can absolutely be fixed and improved upon.
Posted on 8/1/26 at 8:58 am to Dallaswho
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That’s what dependency bot is for.
Ok ignore me; this guy said the same thing I did using 6 words.
Posted on 8/1/26 at 9:17 am to CAD703X
What's the security/privacy concern with the business with you just doing it in AI?
Posted on 8/1/26 at 9:19 am to HailToTheChiz
quote:they're stubborn arrogant and proud.
What's the security/privacy concern with the business with you just doing it in AI?
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