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re: Youth coaching... Sorry if too long.

Posted on 8/11/11 at 10:57 pm to
Posted by joey barton
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Posted on 8/11/11 at 10:57 pm to
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If he's already playing at above his age group with a NOLA select team, I don't know how much they could really do.


stick him on the better team if there is one that also has an opening

they might also have some other, clinic-type things going on during the week
Posted by americanoutlaw
Lafayette
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Posted on 8/11/11 at 11:46 pm to
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stick him on the better team if there is one that also has an opening

Older players will use their physicality when he starts embarrassing them. He's already a 9 year old playing with 11-12 year olds, anything more would be borderline dangerous.
Posted by joey barton
Member since Feb 2011
11468 posts
Posted on 8/12/11 at 12:11 am to
there is probably more than one premier team at that age group for that club
Posted by americanoutlaw
Lafayette
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Posted on 8/12/11 at 12:14 am to
All I know is, when someone at that age starts making you look foolish, you get to hacking at their legs.
Posted by keeper007
Austin
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 8/12/11 at 12:40 am to
The boy needs to play pick up soccer every day. He doesn't need 'more coaching'. He needs to get with other kids and play so the game teaches him while away from training.
Posted by americanoutlaw
Lafayette
Member since Jul 2010
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Posted on 8/12/11 at 3:14 am to
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The boy needs to play pick up soccer every day. He doesn't need 'more coaching'. He needs to get with other kids and play so the game teaches him while away from training.

Whoa, since when does jurgen post on this board? Seriously though, all he's talked about is our youth getting more hours on the ball.
Posted by glassman
Next to the beer taps at Finn's
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 8/12/11 at 6:56 am to
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The boy needs to play pick up soccer every day.


That is what he has been doing for the last five years. He literally played every day for the last five years.
Posted by Pinetar
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Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 8/12/11 at 8:43 am to
the problem with playing pick-up every day is that it usually turns into an unsupervised game of kick ball which is part of the problem with US soccer at the youth level. We have always focused on team wins over player development. At the youth level, and even into high school age, team wins often amount to nothing more than putting your fastest player up top and kicking the ball to him to let him run on to it. The traditional practice I grew up with involved some warm up, a brief session of passing drills and an extended scrimmage. There was rarely any concentrated focus on ball skills. As long as parents and coaches continue to focus on and demand wins at the youth level, individual skill development will suffer. If the focus is first placed on skill development, the entire team improves. As the players get older, it becomes increasingly less likely that a team with a couple of superior athletes will be able to dominate teams that may be a little less athletic but are more skilled with the ball.

I am intimately familiar with the Fire program in New Orleans and know most of the coaches. I would completely disagree with the characterization that it is dominated by English. There is a predomination of hispanic and American born coaches on the staff. (It was actually a merger of Lafreniere, Lakeview and Carrolton when it started. NOSA declined to join at first but came in later). I have two children who have been part of the program for years. I don't know who the coach is for that team and not sure why the first practice was strictly a scrimmage. The official philosophy of the club is to focus on technical skills over tactics at the younger age groups. The majority of the practices I have seen with the staff coaches focus on skills drills and small sided games with very little full scrimmaging involved. If you get the name of the coach, I'll be happy to share anything I know about him.
Posted by glassman
Next to the beer taps at Finn's
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 8/12/11 at 8:49 am to
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very little full scrimmaging involved


My thoughts about scrimmaging the first practice is the coaches were trying to assess athleticism and desire. I am sure that the other practices will be more along the lines of what the Fire project wants to do.
Posted by cwil177
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 8/12/11 at 10:37 am to
Glass, I would forward any questions that you have about player development to the guys over at the 3four3 blog. They are great, and they can definitely point you in the right direction. Their blog focuses on the problems of player development in the US, and they have some pretty strong opinions.
Posted by keeper007
Austin
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 8/12/11 at 11:05 am to
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unsupervised game of kick ball


Not if you got your buddies and had a serious small sided game. Definitely wouldn't have happened when my friends and I used to play. If you were garbage, you never got the ball. Pass and move.
Posted by gkleiban
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 8/12/11 at 9:44 pm to
Thanks for the vote of confidence!
Posted by americanoutlaw
Lafayette
Member since Jul 2010
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Posted on 8/12/11 at 9:46 pm to
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Thanks for the vote of confidence!

Do you coach this kid or something?
Posted by Cash
Vail
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 8/12/11 at 9:52 pm to
Posted by keeper007
Austin
Member since Feb 2008
1511 posts
Posted on 8/12/11 at 11:24 pm to
The point is that the kids always know. They know if someone doesn't have credibility as a coach, they know if a teammate is not good and doesn't work harder to get better, they know when they are playing a superior opponent. In my opinion, the kids always know.

If we want our kids to become better for the future of US soccer they have to play, unsupervised. Why is the US so dominant at basketball? Why is Brasil so good at soccer? More than anything else it's kids playing the game, on their own, developing a passion that can't be taught.
Posted by puffulufogous
New Orleans
Member since Feb 2008
6390 posts
Posted on 8/12/11 at 11:27 pm to
apparently he is one of the authors of the 3four3 blog which does several original articles about problems with US player development. Welcome aboard sir. Always good to have another analyst. I read some of the stuff and it was pretty enlightening. To be honest I hadn't really thought of a lot of those points and they seem to be spot on.
Posted by keeper007
Austin
Member since Feb 2008
1511 posts
Posted on 8/12/11 at 11:46 pm to
Agreed, welcome aboard GKleiban.
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