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re: World U21 Eleven, According to Teen Digest
Posted on 2/17/14 at 1:30 am to RandySavage
Posted on 2/17/14 at 1:30 am to RandySavage
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I find it interesting that you are an expert on a player you admit to having never seen play.
That's precisely the point. All the others and some left off are already past the point of "hot can't miss big money prospect".
Again, Shaw may be an incredible prospect but all the others on the list are already starting matches for their NTs and CL clubs (like Alaba who is the notable one that Shaw replaces). In that way --to my mind that's admittedly not too wrapped up in English football world-- he just doesn't fit unless you also include other prospects.
I've actually watched Southampton probably 5 or 6 times this year which, as you state, makes me no expert at all but I would guess is more than the people compiling this list and many on this board have watched mid table teams from any other big league to see their 18-19 year old prospects.
I'll look forward to seeing Shaw in the World Cup though.
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Posted on 2/17/14 at 3:12 am to Dandy Lion
phil jones o hell no
Posted on 2/17/14 at 6:20 am to Dandy Lion
I'll admit that I rarely watch soccer outside of the EPL and MLS. I'm not familiar with most of those players. How far is a guy like Sterling from that list.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 6:27 am to pvilleguru
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How far is a guy like Sterling from that list.
honestly pretty far
the development of youth players in germany, spain etc is leaps and bounds better than england esp being a wing player. Isco and Draxler are way better.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 7:38 am to wm72
If Luke Shaw played for Bayern Munich and Alaba for Southampton nobody would have a problem with it.
Also, if Luke Shaw was Austrian he would be playing on his national team as well and if Alaba were English he would be stuck behind Cole and Baines who were up until very recently two of the best LBs in the world.
I'm not arguing that Shaw is better than Alaba I'm simply stating I haven't watch enough of both to know but neither have most of the people on this board with a strong opinion.
Also, if Luke Shaw was Austrian he would be playing on his national team as well and if Alaba were English he would be stuck behind Cole and Baines who were up until very recently two of the best LBs in the world.
I'm not arguing that Shaw is better than Alaba I'm simply stating I haven't watch enough of both to know but neither have most of the people on this board with a strong opinion.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 3:43 pm to RandySavage
RandySavage:
It's a valid point about national teams.
However, as I mentioned above, U21 LB Mattia De Sciglio has already started some actual qualifying matches for Italy (against lesser teams for sure) in front of established LBs and was one of AC Milan's most valuable players last season in which they finished with a CL berth. (His injury is a major big reason they started so badly this year).
Not saying he's a better prospect than Shaw but his resume is more similar to the rest of list which are all 20-21 year olds who have been playing big matches longer than Shaw.
Well, Bayern's probably the best team in Europe right now so that certainly adds to the resume.
My main objection was that if Shaw were any other nationality having played 30 or so matches for a mid table side at 18 years old he'd be nowhere near this list.
Since history shows that many of what will be the best players when they're in their primes are still playing for small sides (particularly defenders, defensive midfielders and strikers) the list seemed to be based on actual resume so far more than potential.
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if Luke Shaw was Austrian he would be playing on his national team as well
It's a valid point about national teams.
However, as I mentioned above, U21 LB Mattia De Sciglio has already started some actual qualifying matches for Italy (against lesser teams for sure) in front of established LBs and was one of AC Milan's most valuable players last season in which they finished with a CL berth. (His injury is a major big reason they started so badly this year).
Not saying he's a better prospect than Shaw but his resume is more similar to the rest of list which are all 20-21 year olds who have been playing big matches longer than Shaw.
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If Luke Shaw played for Bayern Munich and Alaba for Southampton nobody would have a problem with it.
Well, Bayern's probably the best team in Europe right now so that certainly adds to the resume.
My main objection was that if Shaw were any other nationality having played 30 or so matches for a mid table side at 18 years old he'd be nowhere near this list.
Since history shows that many of what will be the best players when they're in their primes are still playing for small sides (particularly defenders, defensive midfielders and strikers) the list seemed to be based on actual resume so far more than potential.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 3:57 pm to wm72
i've watched alaba and shaw both at least ten times each. every time i've watched alaba, i thought he might be the best LB in the world. every time i've watched shaw (until this season), i've thought he is an extremely promising prospect. he's stepped his game up quite a bit this year though. still think alaba is better atm, but he does have a few years on shaw. tough to compare.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 4:17 pm to pvilleguru
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How far is a guy like Sterling from that list.
Last year, I would have said very far... Now, although I dont think he's in their class, he isnt THAT far below... I'd argue for the sake of that particular team, he may even make the bench because he offers something none of those guys have (save Neymar)... He's a natural wide player with great pace and a tremendous work rate to help out his fullback.. Isco and Draxler are guys that are more AMs that have played outside, but are more suited to be central players...
I think you could def make room for AOC in that team too.. he is a very good player..
and yeah, I was going off actual age and not whatever the age rule is for official international competition...
This post was edited on 2/17/14 at 4:19 pm
Posted on 2/17/14 at 5:07 pm to TFTC
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. He's a natural wide player with great pace and a tremendous work rate to help out his fullback.. Isco and Draxler are guys that are more AMs that have played outside, but are more suited to be central players...
Sterling has looked really good the times I've seen Liverpool recently. Liverpool as a whole have, really.
The issue with Sterling and a list like this is probably that he's in a position that's not only stacked in terms of central attacking mids getting the nod, as TFTC mentions, but it's also a position in which younger players seem to have success early on more than defenders, defensive mids or strikers.
So, you also have a lot of guys like Juan Iturbe, Lorenzo Insigne (just to name a couple that pop into mind from Serie A and I assume Bundesliga, La Liga, Serie A Brasil, Ligue 1 etc have more as well) that are in the same age group and doing similarly well playing more as wingers and doing true defensive shifts.
The way Coutino's been playing he's probably less of a step down from this list than Sterling but attcking midfield/winger is always the most crowded position with young prospects showing early.
To me, that's what makes what more defensive capable mids like Pogba or Verratti are doing at their age all the more impressive.
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