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re: Who do you want to see have a breakout performance in the Gold Cup?
Posted on 6/24/13 at 10:14 am to 225bred
Posted on 6/24/13 at 10:14 am to 225bred
Omar - We need this guy to put it together and lock down that CB spot next to Besler. If the WC were tomorrow I don't think we could start him. He's got a ton of potential, but we need him to make some significant strides before next summer.
McInerney - We need to have another offensive threat emerge. I'd love to eventually be able to play another striker up top with Jozy. He might be the ticket with his penchant for assists. Likely won't make the trip next summer, but at ST after Jozy, Herc, and GAM (tweener) it's wide open.
McInerney - We need to have another offensive threat emerge. I'd love to eventually be able to play another striker up top with Jozy. He might be the ticket with his penchant for assists. Likely won't make the trip next summer, but at ST after Jozy, Herc, and GAM (tweener) it's wide open.
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Posted on 6/24/13 at 11:20 am to Friend of OBUDan
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considering Besler and Gonzalez could use the Gold Cup to strengthen their partnership, I don't think Gooch or Boca will get a lot of PT.
So, when do you propose we figure out who the other CBs are going to be?
January friendlies, where they'll be playing with (and against) nobodies?
Or wait until the send-off matches to try to figure it out? That's how we ended up with Robbie Findley and Edson Buddle on the plane at forward in 2010.
We need to figure out who CBs 1-4 are, because chances are you'll see all of them in a World Cup.
Posted on 6/24/13 at 11:40 am to Sheep
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We need to figure out who CBs 1-4 are
imo
Besler
Gonzalez
Cameron
Boca/Goodson/Onyewu
Posted on 6/24/13 at 2:00 pm to ezride25
Posted on 6/24/13 at 5:36 pm to thenry712
I would get in trouble if I went to that yoga class.
Posted on 6/24/13 at 6:33 pm to 225bred
Mcinerney so I can sound cool when I say I played against him a bunch and scored against his team at age like 10
This post was edited on 6/24/13 at 6:33 pm
Posted on 6/24/13 at 8:22 pm to rockchlkjayhku11
How long has it been since an MLS striker has really been good for the US? I really hope Jack has a great tourney
Posted on 6/24/13 at 9:30 pm to americanoutlaw
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How long has it been since an MLS striker has really been good for the US?
Never?
Posted on 6/24/13 at 11:42 pm to Sheep
That's kind of what I thought, but I wasn't sure about early eddie johnson. I'd probably count mathis and mcbride as well.
Posted on 6/27/13 at 1:50 pm to americanoutlaw
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That's kind of what I thought, but I wasn't sure about early eddie johnson. I'd probably count mathis and mcbride as well.
Or Clint Dempsey, Jozy Altidore, and Landon Donovan.
Were these guys great for the nats while they were in MLS? Donovan was. Eddie Johnson is pretty good.
The path to Europe for American players is MLS->USMNT->Europe. You have to get MLS'ers exposure with the national team before they make the move.
Posted on 6/27/13 at 2:06 pm to inelishaitrust
Dempsey and Donovan aren't strikers.
Eddie Johnson is, but burst onto the scene with the national team because he was two steps faster than everyone else. His goal scoring pace (club and country) slowed down before he went abroad.... then everyone figured out that he didn't actually know how to play soccer. It was 5ish years before he got it figured out.
I believe Mathis really made his name overseas (a and wasn't really a striker, either.)
You could make a case for Jozy, but he was still more prospect than player when he left.
McBride may be your best case, as he was great with Columbus.... but he really didn't hit his stride with the national team until he started getting loaned out in the EPL.
So far almost every striker that scored tons of goals in MLS (Twellman, Lassiter, Razov, Cunningham, Casey, Wondolowski) were unable to translate that success to the national team.
I'd argue that Brian Ching may be the most successful MLS -> USMNT striker, because his play in MLS was most representative of what you'd see when he got called up with the national team.
Eddie Johnson is, but burst onto the scene with the national team because he was two steps faster than everyone else. His goal scoring pace (club and country) slowed down before he went abroad.... then everyone figured out that he didn't actually know how to play soccer. It was 5ish years before he got it figured out.
I believe Mathis really made his name overseas (a and wasn't really a striker, either.)
You could make a case for Jozy, but he was still more prospect than player when he left.
McBride may be your best case, as he was great with Columbus.... but he really didn't hit his stride with the national team until he started getting loaned out in the EPL.
So far almost every striker that scored tons of goals in MLS (Twellman, Lassiter, Razov, Cunningham, Casey, Wondolowski) were unable to translate that success to the national team.
I'd argue that Brian Ching may be the most successful MLS -> USMNT striker, because his play in MLS was most representative of what you'd see when he got called up with the national team.
Posted on 6/27/13 at 2:19 pm to inelishaitrust
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The path to Europe for American players is MLS->USMNT->Europe. You have to get MLS'ers exposure with the national team before they make the move.
I agree with this. If you're not making enough waves in the MLS (if that's where you start) to get a national team cap then there's not a good chance you'll draw interest from a European side.
I'm trying to think of former MLS guys who made the move to Europe then got called into the national team. I'm sure there's an obvious guy I'm not thinking of at the moment.
Posted on 6/27/13 at 2:28 pm to rdw1690
I don't think Bobby Convey was that involved with the national team before going to Reading. 
He was with DC United when he was about 12 years old though, so I'm not sure that counts.
Interesting topic, though... to look at the career arcs of players and when they hit the national team.
He was with DC United when he was about 12 years old though, so I'm not sure that counts.
Interesting topic, though... to look at the career arcs of players and when they hit the national team.
Posted on 6/27/13 at 2:31 pm to Sheep
I started this thread, and picked Shea and Feilhaber to break out in the GC... And neither are even on the team 
Posted on 6/27/13 at 3:46 pm to Sheep
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Dempsey and Donovan aren't strikers.
They've both scored goals in World Cup Finals as forwards
They aren't #9's but they are second strikers in a 4-4-2. Or the withdrawn CAM/CF in a one striker set. They also play as outside midfielders. Particularly, Donovan. When Clint plays outside attacks the middle, not the flank
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So far almost every striker that scored tons of goals in MLS (Twellman, Lassiter, Razov, Cunningham, Casey, Wondolowski) were unable to translate that success to the national team.
I agree with that, but keep in mind that the discussion was about whether or not McInerney and Bruin were going to be successful. I was arguing that they can take the Jozy Altidore path and be big time contributors down the road. If they are scoring for the national team, they won't be in MLS for long.
Posted on 6/27/13 at 4:04 pm to inelishaitrust
That's all fine and dandy, but both McInerney and Bruin (in my view) lack the transcedent skill set to be anything more than a capable international foward.
Just look at the good strikers in CONCACAF. Do you see any indication that they'll develop the ball skill of a Carlo Costly or a Blas Perez? Hell, do they have the skill set of Herculez Gomez?
You *can* succede at the international level as a poacher, but you have to have an otherwordly understanding of spacing, and have the physical tools to get to the right space at the right time.
Miroslav Klose has had that ability for years, fricking Chicharito has it now.
I haven't seen that level of skill from either, especially Bruin. McInerney seems to have a better knack for it..... but so does Chris Wondolowski.
Just look at the good strikers in CONCACAF. Do you see any indication that they'll develop the ball skill of a Carlo Costly or a Blas Perez? Hell, do they have the skill set of Herculez Gomez?
You *can* succede at the international level as a poacher, but you have to have an otherwordly understanding of spacing, and have the physical tools to get to the right space at the right time.
Miroslav Klose has had that ability for years, fricking Chicharito has it now.
I haven't seen that level of skill from either, especially Bruin. McInerney seems to have a better knack for it..... but so does Chris Wondolowski.
Posted on 6/27/13 at 4:24 pm to Sheep
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McInerney seems to have a better knack for it..... but so does Chris Wondolowski.
McInerney doesn't have as much potential as Juan Agudelo and several other MLS strikers. But, he's a lot younger than Wondolowski was when he started to contribute. If he can be a good poacher, he can be a useful player in the pool. Will Bruin has the physical attributes you'd like to see in a target man. Size, Strength, Speed. He's gotta become a better soccer player though.
This post was edited on 6/27/13 at 4:25 pm
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