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re: USL votes to implement Pro/Rel

Posted on 4/25/25 at 2:46 pm to
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 4/25/25 at 2:46 pm to
The league doesn’t bring in quality defenders

Especially ones from Europe, the overwhelming amount of older European players who come are attacking players.

What are you talking about
This post was edited on 4/25/25 at 2:48 pm
Posted by cwil177
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2011
29545 posts
Posted on 4/25/25 at 3:21 pm to
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Improving yearly
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No it isn’t
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The standard has definitely improved from an attacking player

???

Anyway you admit you don’t even watch the league. I do. The quality has improved year over year, mostly from a change in player purchase strategy and an improving homegrown system. Guys like Reus and Giroud aren’t coming in and dominating the league. Giroud had 15g/8a his last Serie A season. He literally just scored his first MLS goal

We all know those guys are bought for their aura (and marketing) at this point more so than what they can contribute on the field.

Teams that actually want to succeed are spending more cleverly on mid career euros or South American players. See: Cuypers, Dreyer, Evander.

Feel free to google those because you don’t know who I’m talking about since you don’t watch the league regularly.

Atlanta has a great track record of this and has generally splashed cash wisely.
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The tactics from most teams is the same, the classic American style of let’s out athlete each other and just play at 100mph.

Tell me more about how you don’t actually watch the league.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126562 posts
Posted on 4/25/25 at 3:59 pm to
Just because the attacking player has improved doesn’t mean the overall standard of the league has

Watching mid level players embarrass sub standard defenders doesn’t mean the overall league standard is going up

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Teams that actually want to succeed are spending more cleverly on mid career euros or South American players. See: Cuypers, Dreyer, Evander. Feel free to google those because you don’t know who I’m talking about since you don’t watch the league regularly.


I know who those guys are

Timber fans were pissed Evander got traded

But yes down play my footy knowledge because you don’t like the hard truths I’m saying about MLS.
This post was edited on 4/25/25 at 4:43 pm
Posted by cwil177
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2011
29545 posts
Posted on 4/26/25 at 8:05 pm to
This league has gone from not being competitive with Mexican teams to regularly beating them in competition. How can you not see the progress? You genuinely don’t want to admit anything good about MLS. It’s weird.

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hard truths

Odd way of saying “my own opinion based on decade-old generalizations.”

Never change homie
Posted by St Augustine
The Pauper of the Surf
Member since Mar 2006
70444 posts
Posted on 4/27/25 at 10:42 am to
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because the majority of the American EPL viewers are City, Chelsea, ManU, Arsenal and Tottenham fans, so pro/rel never really applies for them anyway.


Pussies.
Posted by lsugorilla
PNW
Member since Sep 2009
6361 posts
Posted on 4/27/25 at 7:54 pm to
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because the majority of the American EPL viewers are City, Chelsea, ManU, Arsenal and Tottenham fans


I don’t think this is an only American thing.
Lots of countries have fans of their small local team as well as a favorite bigger club that plays in Europe.

You don’t have to only root for MLS or USL.

Example. I root for all the schools I’ve attended. Unless they play each other then I either root for who has a shot of going all the way if not I root for just a fun game to watch
Posted by lsugorilla
PNW
Member since Sep 2009
6361 posts
Posted on 4/27/25 at 9:35 pm to
Another example. People have a EPL team they root for as well as an MLS team to root for.

I know some people root for teams based on which ones USMNT players are on.

I know I do.

Milan
Juve
PSV
Betis
Bournemouth
Coventry
Norwich
Palace

Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
78650 posts
Posted on 4/27/25 at 10:11 pm to
Was watching USL Jagermeister Cup today and was shocked to see that former "young darkhorse for 2014 World Cup" Luis Gil is toiling away in USL 1 with Spokane Velocity.
Posted by lsugorilla
PNW
Member since Sep 2009
6361 posts
Posted on 4/29/25 at 3:13 pm to
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Luis Gil is toiling away in USL 1 with Spokane Velocity.


He’s fellow teammate Andre Lewis came on and gave the USMNT a scare in the 2019 gold cup semis.


We actually won that one
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
35361 posts
Posted on 5/2/25 at 4:50 pm to
US Soccer has an existential problem which still makes it something of a boutique sport and an afterthought that people might watch if nothing else is on and its raining outside. You can bring in stars like Messi on a farewell tour. You can have ideas like this, and you are still not going to get the exposure it needs.

Get to a semi final or final in a World Cup and be consistent about it and really promote stars like Pulisic. Right now, more people know who Bronny James is than Pulisic.....more people know who Derek Carr is than Pulisic and other Americans playing and making a splash in Europe...Bring them over here and promote them.

Pro/Rel is not going to get more eyes on the tube or more interest overall. Promotion will. More highlights on Sports Center will as well as a game of the week on SUNDAY afternoons at the 300 pm slot. Not Saturday afternoon at 230 in Spring / Summer.
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
53386 posts
Posted on 5/2/25 at 8:56 pm to
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Pro/Rel is not going to get more eyes on the tube or more interest overall. Promotion will.


It might and here’s why. Not enough soccer matches in the US have CONSEQUENCES. If there aren’t consequences for winning or losing, it’s just 22 dudes kicking a ball around.

But take a team out of the league for losing too much, and their fans will holler like a hit dog. EMOTION IS PROMOTION. Then they’ll go to a league where they’ll start winning again hopefully.
Posted by lsugorilla
PNW
Member since Sep 2009
6361 posts
Posted on 5/2/25 at 10:22 pm to
Drama is promotion.

Everyone likes drama.

Everyone likes a good wreck or fight.

What fun it will be to watch and laugh at some poor team getting knocked down.
Posted by RemouladeSawce
Uranus
Member since Sep 2008
16603 posts
Posted on 5/2/25 at 11:01 pm to
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Everyone likes drama.

Everyone likes a good wreck or fight.
Pro/rel doesn't make comically inferior football interesting to watch

Figuring out what medicore team goes down to an even mediocre league and the inverse is not drama that anyone in practice will give a flying frick about. It's a pipe dream to pretend otherwise, particularly considering how small market the USL teams are. How many far superior leagues elsewhere that are more accessible to watch do people even give a frick about in this country? There will be more people staying close to the Belgian Pro League playoffs than that crap
Posted by lsugorilla
PNW
Member since Sep 2009
6361 posts
Posted on 5/16/25 at 11:26 pm to
USL 2 Portland Bangers of to a limp start.

Lose 0-3 in home opener.

Killer mascot however
Posted by lsugorilla
PNW
Member since Sep 2009
6361 posts
Posted on 5/28/25 at 11:01 pm to
Went to my first USL2 match. Bangers vs Snohomish united.

We lost.
Vala Saghafi. (Apparently some high school kid) looked like the best player for the Bangers.

More entertaining than I anticipated.

Would prefer cheaper tickets.

Concessions was a hike(on other side of field.

Have a picture with sexy mascot. Just dont know how to post
Posted by cwil177
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2011
29545 posts
Posted on 5/28/25 at 11:39 pm to
No mascot is sexier than Gunnersaurus
Posted by DByrd2
Fredericksburg, VA
Member since Jun 2008
9862 posts
Posted on 5/29/25 at 8:53 am to
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because the majority of the American EPL viewers are City, Chelsea, ManU, Arsenal and Tottenham fans, so pro/rel never really applies for them anyway.


Late to this comment, but...:

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Posted by DByrd2
Fredericksburg, VA
Member since Jun 2008
9862 posts
Posted on 5/29/25 at 8:57 am to
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Pro/rel doesn't make comically inferior football interesting to watch


I think it is a great selling point to new fans, so I disagree.

To a new fan, it likely would not be seen as "comically inferior" because they may not know enough about the sport yet.

Football in the US definitely needs to attract new fans. If the media can bring eyes to it and fans can get brought in, I think our talent pool may see a boom in the decades to come.
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
78650 posts
Posted on 7/6/25 at 4:40 pm to
Watching Charleston v North Carolina right now on CBS Sports Network and Charleston should be shamed into oblivion for the condition their pitch is in.
Posted by Alyosha
Member since Nov 2020
9385 posts
Posted on 7/6/25 at 4:41 pm to
It’s really bad
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