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re: United States of F#ck Yeah v. The one shitty CONMEBOL team | Friendly | 1pm CT (FOX)
Posted on 6/9/19 at 3:22 pm to cwil177
Posted on 6/9/19 at 3:22 pm to cwil177
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When did you start watching, late 2018?
Well we've lost to Jamaica three times in our history including last week's game and Venezuela twice including today's game.
Please tell me the numerous performances worse than losing handily to Jamaica and Venezuela at home. If you wanna hide behind the fact that it wasn't our A-team then sure.
This post was edited on 6/9/19 at 3:25 pm
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Posted on 6/9/19 at 3:24 pm to pvilleguru
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Newsflash: The player pool doesn't change drastically over 2 years.
So how much leash does Berhalter have in your opinion? Does anything short of not qualifying for 2022 cost him his job? Or is every result defensible because there's just nothing he can possibly do with our lack of talent?
Berhalter's Quotes after the Game (in sum) "We're not going to change anything personnel or tactics wise. We're still getting everyone up to fitness. To change things up would be reactionary."
Jesus Christ. Idk Gregg, it's probably not the worst idea to "react" to getting pasted by Jamaica and Venezuela at home.
This post was edited on 6/9/19 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 6/9/19 at 3:30 pm to tigerfan88
I think he has a long leash in my opinion. I like his system. I think we have some good talent coming up that just needs some professional experience or a move to Europe to continue to improve their game. We already have the spine of our future fairly set, or at least at a good floor.
Posted on 6/9/19 at 3:32 pm to tigerfan88
The blame that is placed on managers in soccer baffles me. The reality is the USMNT isn’t deep enough to beat many teams without our complete A team on the field.
Posted on 6/9/19 at 3:34 pm to lynxcat
The 3 goals we gave up today came from a bad pass by the keeper (should have been disallowed for offside) and two individual defensive errors. The only other shot on goal we allowed was a slow dribbler from 30 yards out.
This post was edited on 6/9/19 at 3:36 pm
Posted on 6/9/19 at 3:38 pm to lynxcat
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The blame that is placed on managers in soccer baffles me. The reality is the USMNT isn’t deep enough to beat many teams without our complete A team on the field.
In general I agree with that. However, Berhalter is routinely making "controversial" callups and tactical decisions in the name of experimentation and fit for his system. Thus IMO he opens himself up more to criticism when those decisions don't pay off. I put controversial in quotes because that determination is subjective in nature, but I think the majority of us and the majority of the soccer media would have made several different callup and lineup decisions than Berhalter did.
The whole RB as CDM system is interesting for sure, but whenever we get overrun in the midfield and look exposed in the back it's going to subject him to more criticism.
Posted on 6/9/19 at 3:39 pm to pvilleguru
To expand on my stupid post from earlier why am I still watching Ream, Trapp, Zardes and Roldan get significant minutes for this team? Are we still holding out hope that magically we will see something we haven’t yet? The other night it was Holmes who was the best player on the field in his limited minutes. Today it was Boyd. If they can’t cut it move on and find someone else who might. Yes the player pool isn’t good and the lost generation continues to haunt us but stop calling in mediocrity and then saying oh well there’s nobody else too bad
Posted on 6/9/19 at 3:40 pm to tigerfan88
WOAT
Posted on 6/9/19 at 3:40 pm to pvilleguru
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The 3 goals we gave up today came from a bad pass by the keeper (should have been disallowed for offside) and two individual defensive errors. The only other shot on goal we allowed was a slow dribbler from 30 yards out.
Fair, but it's not like we dominated the game otherwise. Also, the line between individual errors where the players are solely responsible and tactical decisions where the coach is responsible is often very gray. Almost always there's blame to go on both sides.
Posted on 6/9/19 at 3:42 pm to pvilleguru
There is a LOT of stupidity in this thread
Posted on 6/9/19 at 3:46 pm to etm512
quote:Lack of depth. We really don't have any decent LBs, so in this system, the LB can be a hybrid LB/CB (so insert Ream until someone truly better comes along). With Bradley and Adams out, there's not many options at the 6, so we're going with the guy that at least knows the system. We have zero depth at striker, so Zardes will still be around for 2 more years even though he won't be the #1 guy unless there's injuries. I think the Jamaica game was a tryout for Roldan and Mihailovic. Roldan somewhat won, so he's still around.
why am I still watching Ream, Trapp, Zardes and Roldan get significant minutes for this team?
quote:They should see more time in the future as they get more comfortable with the system/players.
The other night it was Holmes who was the best player on the field in his limited minutes. Today it was Boyd.
Posted on 6/9/19 at 3:46 pm to tigerfan88
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The whole RB as CDM system is interesting for sure, but whenever we get overrun in the midfield and look exposed in the back it's going to subject him to more criticism.
Agreed. We don't look good defending with what essentially becomes a back 3.
Posted on 6/9/19 at 3:50 pm to tigerfan88
quote:Miazga misjudged the throw in. Long was caught on the wrong side of Rondon and then let the shot go through his legs. Steffen sent a bad pass to the wrong side of McKennie when he had an easier pass to the left. All 3 of those are on the players.
Also, the line between individual errors where the players are solely responsible and tactical decisions where the coach is responsible is often very gray.
Posted on 6/9/19 at 3:52 pm to tigerfan88
quote:I'd say we sure didn't deserve to lose based on the rest of the game.
Fair, but it's not like we dominated the game otherwise.
Posted on 6/9/19 at 3:58 pm to pvilleguru
No, but we sure deserved to lose based on the 3-nil scoreline 
Posted on 6/9/19 at 4:01 pm to 225bred
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There is a LOT of stupidity in this thread
I remember a lot of similar responses to negative posts about Arena/Jurgen etc during qualifying last go round. A lot of "don't be stupid this is how qualifying works" and "Wow so this is your first qualification cycle. Playing on the road in CONCACAF is HARD!!"
And then we didn't qualify for the first time in 30 years. I've watched a lot of USMNT, basically since the turn of the century, and this three year stretch is by far the worst we've ever been. Now we can debate the causes of that, if it's purely player driven and we just have to wait it out, if it's systemic, if it's coaching, if it's everything.
But to just dismiss results like this as unimportant is pretty short-sighted based on what we just saw last cycle.
Posted on 6/9/19 at 4:17 pm to pvilleguru
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Lack of depth. We really don't have any decent LBs, so in this system, the LB can be a hybrid LB/CB (so insert Ream until someone truly better comes along).
I understand what he’s trying to do here but Ream has been awful for Fulham all year and has had some awful gaffs in his latest US caps. Let’s not act like he’s a rock solid call in until fill in the blank comes along. And also let’s try to identify that guy sooner rather than later. Hell its 3 CBs. I would rather see Miazga, Zimmerman and Long starting together. As for younger options to get them into camp, off the top of my head CCV and Miles Robinson. And if you want an older steady defender you can play “LB” call in Fabian Johnson
As for the 6 Trapp is automatically higher in the depth chart because Adams is now a RB (different conversation). But also let’s not act like Trapp is only in here because others weren’t available. It’s been clear since day 1 that Trapp is rated very highly with this staff
Again Zardes is automatically higher because he’s better than Sargent or something.
Roldan is so incredibly blah I just don’t see why he keeps getting call ups.
Posted on 6/9/19 at 4:26 pm to etm512
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I would rather see Miazga, Zimmerman and Long starting together
Can one of them play LB when in our defensive set? Not saying they can't, just asking.
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As for younger options to get them into camp, off the top of my head CCV and Miles Robinson.
CCV can't handle the LB duties. Miles is still a pure CB, but could probably do ok there. He's on the cusp of getting called up. This is still his first full season as a starter.
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And if you want an older steady defender you can play “LB” call in Fabian Johnson
Has had his own injury trouble and wasn't playing for Gladbach to end the season. He's also expressed doubt about wanting to play for us.
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Again Zardes is automatically higher because he’s better than Sargent or something.
Has anyone seen Sargent do much of anything lately? I'm much more puzzled by Wooten being omitted than Sargent (if you're looking for immediate wins). But I haven't actually seen Wooten play recently, same goes for Sargent.
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Roldan is so incredibly blah I just don’t see why he keeps getting call ups
I agree, but there's still not a lot of depth options here. I've said I would prefer Nagbe, but once you get past him, there's a whole lot of meh (until Pomykal gets a chance).
This post was edited on 6/9/19 at 4:39 pm
Posted on 6/9/19 at 4:58 pm to pvilleguru
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Can one of them play LB when in our defensive set? Not saying they can't, just asking.
Long can yes.
Phone isn’t letting me quote the rest so have to address without quoting
CCV and Robinson can play the CB roles and Long can push out. Would rather see along get some minutes there because once Brooks is available I assume it’s him and Miazga in the middle then who is playing LB?
Glad you brought up Wooten because I would rather see him get a shot than us trotting Zardes out again. We know what Zardes is. He isn’t good enough. Plain and simple.
I too prefer Nagbe over Roldan easily even though he has his own limitations. Still I rate him much higher.
Posted on 6/9/19 at 4:59 pm to lynxcat
I just don’t see a lot of great talent in this squad. I’ve also watched soccer long enough not to get carried away by friendly results. Guess we’ll see how things play out over the next few weeks.
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