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re: United States of F#ck Yeah v. Panorama | The Hex | 9pm CDT (beIN)

Posted on 3/29/17 at 1:21 am to
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 3/29/17 at 1:21 am to
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but Jurgen acknowledged that talent deficiency in the U.S. talent pool and at least tried to toy with it to overcome these things.


It's not like the talent deficiency is some secret. How do less talented teams overcome that lack of talent? By playing in a consistent system. Last summer's European Championships were evidence of that. Wales, Iceland, and Portugal all employed a low-block set, and attempted to attack on the counter, which is exactly the type of system the US has employed to overcome its talent deficiency historically. Jurgen certainly wasn't well-versed enough in the possession game to teach it, and not only that, there are like a handful of teams that can employ the possession game internationally without any regard for the opponent, and the US is not among those teams.

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We do not have the talent to compete at the highest stage, let alone dominate our weak CONCACAF.



Then how have we done it before? Between 2000 and 2009, we only lost 8 games against CONCACAF opponents out of 96 games.

I can find the stats for the 90s and the noughties as well. But to say we haven't consistently dominated CONCACAF other than Mexico is not true. We should be able to dominate CONCACAF other than Mexico, who has experienced similar troubles as we have in terms of organizing the team in the correct way.
Posted by kilo
Member since Oct 2011
27441 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 1:33 am to
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Wales, Iceland, and Portugal




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Then how have we done it before? Between 2000 and 2009, we only lost 8 games against CONCACAF opponents out of 96 games.


We are doing poorly in the Hex THIS cycle.

Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
71823 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 1:36 am to
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We are doing poorly in the Hex THIS cycle.



Which brings me back to this...

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We were going to lose to Mexico... in Columbus? Something that had never happened before.

We were going to lose 4-0 to Costa Rica, our worst Hex loss ever?


We're in this hole because of Jurgen.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
36398 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 1:45 am to
What exactly is so funny? All those teams did employ a low-block set in a variety of formations. Portugal is obviously more talented than the other two, but all three showed superb positional sense, and punched above their weight. Employing the counter-attacking low block is a tried and true method. There isn't anything regressive about it, especially when Klinsmann seemed unable to teach the possession game.

We can't seek to employ any sort of possession if our positioning is wayward.

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We are doing poorly in the Hex THIS cycle.



Whose fault is that? Why did we dominate CONCACAF with less talented teams?
Posted by kilo
Member since Oct 2011
27441 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 1:47 am to
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We're in this hole because of Jurgen.



We're in this hole because of our talent pool.


I respect you broski but we fundamentally disagree on why and where US soccer is right now.

Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
71823 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 1:54 am to
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We're in this hole because of our talent pool.



So you believe the talent pool has gotten worse since 2002?

I'm sorry, but that is just 100% false.
Posted by John Keating
College Green, Ireland
Member since Jan 2015
2593 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 2:21 am to
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Im not going to get into the silly parts of this post but Jurgen acknowledged that talent deficiency in the U.S. talent pool and at least tried to toy with it to overcome these things. He was ridiculed here for toying around trying to overcome this stuff...So we go back to what was....seems like a solid plan to move US soccer forward.

It would be an improvement:


Against top 20 teams

Arena
5-6-1
+1 GD
1.33 PPG

Klinsmann
2-8-2
-10 GD
.67 PPG

Against top 10 teams

Arena: 810 mins vs. top 10, held the lead for 22.2% of the time
Klinsmann: 570 mins vs. top 10, held the lead for 1.6% of the time

Other points of note regarding Klinsmann

- First four-game home winless streak against CONCACAF opponents since 1965

- First loss to a Caribbean opponent in World Cup qualifying since 1969

- First loss to Jamaica, ever

- First home loss to Jamaica, ever

- First loss to Guatemala since 1988, a Guatemala team that was the lowest-ranked squad to beat the US in the history of the FIFA Rankings

- First US coach in 25 years to fail to record a single win in official competition against a Top 10 side

- Worst record vs. Top 20 teams in modern #USMNT history, by far


Shall we stop this?
This post was edited on 3/29/17 at 2:26 am
Posted by John Keating
College Green, Ireland
Member since Jan 2015
2593 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 4:30 am to
My thoughts after watching the match:

Regarding the Panamanian goal, soccer can be fortuitous and soccer can be cruel. In this case, failure by the US to win the ball in the air, a fortuitous deflection, and a tremendous eye, pounce, and finish by a Panamanian player were the pivotal factors. First, the marking by the US was very good. When the ball comes down, every Panamanian is marked well by an American. The US should be better in the air considering the height, physicality, and athleticism of its players. Jones, Bradley, and Ream are all there but fail to win the ball in the air. The ball then takes a deflection and lands perfectly for a Panamanian to make a play. The Panamanian player instantly sees the ball and flys from around Villafana, who had sealed the Panamanian off from the throw in. Villafana, Ream, and Bradley are in best position to break up the play. Villafana, Ream, and Gonzalez all immediately spot the ball; Bradley never does until after the crucial instant when it is too late to assist. Gonzalez does well by instantly grabbing and sealing off his man then bolts toward goal to assist as Villafana and Ream are desperately flying toward the ball. The Panamanian beats them by a fraction of a second to the fortuitously deflected ball and strikes it as Villafana and Ream go airborne with legs extended to block as best they can. Howard makes himself big as well but the strike is a fast and perfect shot. Goal.

Regarding the US goal, of course the duel by Pulisic and the calm in which he read that play was brilliant. He knew to beat a defender and a keeper, both in position, from a standstill point would be difficult and therefore controlled, fought off, and attacked while using his vision to spot the opportunity he sensed was coming into the box. He followed all of this up with a perfect pass to Dempsey for the finish. Dempsey's role was wonderful as well. The run that he made into the box was not just happenstance. He maneuvered well and found the space necessary to exploit, timing it perfectly. He placed himself in the perfect position to finish. It was a great goal that involved American players taking on defenders and beating them head to head with control, skill, physicality, and movement.

I was not too impressed with Jones and I believe the US missed Lletget on the pitch from an offensive as well as defensive perspective. I think Kljestan in central midfield rather than Jones would have offered more creativity, control, and possession in the attack. Ultimately, my preference is for Pulisic. He is just a playmaker and needs to touch the ball as much as possible.
Posted by ohiovol
Member since Jan 2010
20835 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 5:10 am to
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3 of those were against the toughest team we'll play at home. The other 1 is against the 2nd toughest road game.


True. I can't remember the last time we got points in San Jose.
This post was edited on 3/29/17 at 5:12 am
Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 6:20 am to
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We're in this hole because of our talent pool

We currently have the deepest pool we've ever had.

Hell, we were down to our 6th choice at RB last night and he didn't do terrible. You can make a full team with players in their correct position of players that were out injured and we still got a point on the road.
This post was edited on 3/29/17 at 6:29 am
Posted by etm512
Mandeville, LA
Member since Aug 2005
20764 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 7:21 am to
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A diamond of Pulisic, Nagbe, FabJo and Bradley would be pretty sweet.


Yep. Take Fabian and put him where Lletget was last game and roll out. Hopefully Villafana can keep his spot at LB locked down so we can keep Fabian in the MF
Posted by bbap
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2006
96053 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 7:23 am to
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Well yedlin doesn't matter. He has no talent.


When's the last time you watched Yedlin play?



Plenty. He's just a track player playing soccer. His speed allows for moments of shine but in general he's got a mediocre touch and mediocre understanding of the game.
Posted by cwil177
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2011
28470 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 7:24 am to
He's possibly the best right back in the championship. Did you watch him once two years ago and come to this conclusion?
Posted by bbap
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2006
96053 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 7:26 am to
No. I just answered that question.
Posted by Riseupfromtherubble
You'll Never Walk Alone
Member since Jun 2011
38386 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 8:15 am to
Ehh, that might've been the case two years ago but he's improved tremendously after the stint at Sunderland and now Newcastle.

Why Deandre Yedlin is Newcastle's best player (UK article)

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Further to the visuals of Yedlin's Championship appearances this season, statistics from Opta also present the Seattle native in a favourable light when compared to his team mates. From the players in Rafa Benitez's squad that have played more league games than Yedlin, no-one has a better 'Points Per Game' figure - with the American achieving an impressive 2.39 points for every game played. (Note - these statistics are prior to this weekend's game).


There are visuals in the link, but an assist every 64 minutes in 23 appearances for a defender indicates he's more than just a track star.

And even if he wasn't, I think his performance in the World Cup proved that track stars can make a difference in soccer, this guy is one of the fastest players on the planet and that causes major problems for opponents. When they're game panning for Newcastle I imagine his first touch doesn't come up in the conversation very much. Blistering pace is a great equalizer and has to be accounted for.

Posted by pvilleguru
Member since Jun 2009
60453 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 8:17 am to
Regardless, Yedlin is still way better at RB than Zusi is.
Posted by bbap
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2006
96053 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 8:22 am to
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Regardless, Yedlin is still way better at RB than Zusi is.



Well i can't argue that. I don't think the gap is that wide but maybe it is. Zusi was deplorable last night. I think he just booted another useless long ball that Jozy is going to pretend to run after.
Posted by lionward2014
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2015
11768 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 8:26 am to
The combination of Pulisic and Yedlin on the right side is so exciting. Yedlin loves to get up field, which allows Pulisic to slide in, and Pulisic does a great job of getting back to help on the defensive side (the announcers last night pointed out that he had dropped almost all the way into the box after one of the defenders got out of position).

We have a linking between two exciting players, both under 23, that will be playing big roles in two of the top leagues in the world next year, what a time to be alive.
Posted by Riseupfromtherubble
You'll Never Walk Alone
Member since Jun 2011
38386 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 8:43 am to
I'd rather see CP at #10. Nagbe offers the same pace and work rate though. He had two runs last night that were insane, just exploded right by defenders.

Something like this for Russia and I'm a happy guy.
Posted by tigerfan88
Member since Jan 2008
8186 posts
Posted on 3/29/17 at 8:55 am to
Pulisic playing on the wing is fricking stupid. He's by far our best player, put him at the 10 so you can maximize his touches and influence. It's not rocket science
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