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re: United States of F#ck Yeah v. Panamaniacs | The Oct | 5pm CT (TUDN, Paramount+)
Posted on 10/10/21 at 7:33 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Posted on 10/10/21 at 7:33 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Greg just needs to keep it simple. He needs to understand that he’s not some brilliant manager and tactician and that’s ok. He needs to drop Bello for good and probably Lleget and Acosta as well
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Posted on 10/10/21 at 7:36 pm to Broski
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I know everyone wants to win every match, but the science has always been win at home and draw on the road and we already fricked that up by drawing Canada at home, but then got back on track with the win at Honduras.
Such a weak mentality. Losing attitude to think this and I bet this is exactly what Gregg thinks.
This post was edited on 10/10/21 at 7:38 pm
Posted on 10/10/21 at 7:38 pm to OldmanBeasley
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and probably Lleget and Acosta as well
Definitely Lletget, Acosta is still in, this was his first net negative game since he came back into the fold last year.
We also have no one else that can provide depth at the 6 while we wait for Busio to mature.
This post was edited on 10/10/21 at 7:42 pm
Posted on 10/10/21 at 7:39 pm to BeYou
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Such a weak mentality. Losing attitude to think this and I bet this is exactly what Gregg thinks.
I'm not saying that should be the mentality. Doing that is just how the math adds up to qualifying.
Posted on 10/10/21 at 7:39 pm to OldmanBeasley
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and Acosta as well
Back to bad Acosta
The gold cup where he peaked is his level
Posted on 10/10/21 at 7:40 pm to Broski
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Acosta is still in, this was his first net negative game since he came back into the fold last year.
We also have no one else that can play the 6 while we wait for Busio to mature.
You’re not wrong, but his passing and touch is so bad. Also he should never take a set piece again
Posted on 10/10/21 at 7:41 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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The gold cup where he peaked is his level
But he peaked against Mexico's A team which is better than anything he will face in this qualifying schedule
Posted on 10/10/21 at 7:42 pm to Broski
I’m OK with playing for a draw at Panama, but this lineup was not the one to get you that result. If you’re going to play crap players, put them in a system where they can cover for each other. Play 5 in the back or a 4-5-1. Playing an attacking lineup with the B team was always a recipe for failure. We were lucky not to be down in the first half. In the second, the law of averages caught up. Sadly, it’s always going to be adventures in managing as long as Greggg has the job.
Posted on 10/10/21 at 7:48 pm to RockChalkTiger
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but this lineup was not the one to get you that result.
On paper it was.
Arriola, Lletget, Zardes, Acosta, Bello and Turner all started the Gold Cup final against a better team than they faced today.
In terms of the other five players in the XI today, Zimmerman was our best player in this game, McKenzie was good in the last road qualifier he started which we won, Shaq Moore I would've rathered see Yedlin over him, and Musah and Weah are guys we've been clamoring to see with the USMNT more.
There was nothing wrong with putting that lineup out and expecting to get a draw or win.
The issue, again, is that once it became apparent that it wasn't working, Gregg didn't make the correct substitutions (Acosta, Lletget and Bello all went 90)
Posted on 10/10/21 at 7:51 pm to Broski
If you roll the right lineup out to begin with, or match the tactics to the players you have available, then you aren’t so dependent on getting all the adjustments exactly right. I’m not surprised at all at this result, given what he tried to do and who he tried to do it with.
Posted on 10/10/21 at 7:53 pm to RockChalkTiger
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If you roll the right lineup out to begin with
There is no way of knowing what the "right" lineup is, especially when we have a group of talented young, but also inconsistent, players.
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or match the tactics to the players you have available
This didn't matter because our only discernable tactic today was route 1 long balls to no one.
This post was edited on 10/10/21 at 7:54 pm
Posted on 10/10/21 at 7:55 pm to Broski
Being a USMNT requires one to be a masochist
Posted on 10/10/21 at 7:57 pm to OldmanBeasley
Mexico beats Honduras 3-0
Here's the table after 5 matches
1. Mexico, 11 pts, +5 GD, 8 GF
2. USA, 8 pts, +4 GD, 7 GF
3. Panama, 8 pts, +3 GD, 5 GF
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4. Canada, 7 pts, +3 GD, 6 GF
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6. Costa Rica, 6 pts, 0 GD, 3 GF
7. El Salvador, 5 pts, -3 GD, 2 GF
9. Honduras, 3 pts, -4 GD, 2 GF
9. Jamaica, 2 pts, -6 GD, 2 GF
Wednesday Matches
Costa Rica at USA
Panama at Canada
Jamaica at Honduras
Mexico at El Salvador
Here's the table after 5 matches
1. Mexico, 11 pts, +5 GD, 8 GF
2. USA, 8 pts, +4 GD, 7 GF
3. Panama, 8 pts, +3 GD, 5 GF
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4. Canada, 7 pts, +3 GD, 6 GF
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6. Costa Rica, 6 pts, 0 GD, 3 GF
7. El Salvador, 5 pts, -3 GD, 2 GF
9. Honduras, 3 pts, -4 GD, 2 GF
9. Jamaica, 2 pts, -6 GD, 2 GF
Wednesday Matches
Costa Rica at USA
Panama at Canada
Jamaica at Honduras
Mexico at El Salvador
Posted on 10/10/21 at 8:05 pm to Broski
I don’t like the idea of putting 18 year old Pepi in to try and save our asses from an embarrassment.
Poor game plan overall. I know we have injuries but holy crap, how do we end up fielding so many scrubs in a WCQ match where we want at least a draw?
Poor game plan overall. I know we have injuries but holy crap, how do we end up fielding so many scrubs in a WCQ match where we want at least a draw?
Posted on 10/10/21 at 8:08 pm to Broski
I know its not apples to apples comparison, and I hate comparing to fricking Mexico, but Mexico only made 3 changes from their lineup vs Canada to tonight vs Honduras.
Jimenez, Chucky, Tecatitio, Herrera, Alvarez, Gallardo, Montes both started each game.
Riding the horses that got them there. The hot hands that make things click. Gregg definitely needs to rotate at times, but wholesale swaps against competent opponents (not Gold Cup minnows) is leaving us playing catch up.
Jimenez, Chucky, Tecatitio, Herrera, Alvarez, Gallardo, Montes both started each game.
Riding the horses that got them there. The hot hands that make things click. Gregg definitely needs to rotate at times, but wholesale swaps against competent opponents (not Gold Cup minnows) is leaving us playing catch up.
Posted on 10/10/21 at 8:09 pm to SUB
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I don’t like the idea of putting 18 year old Pepi in to try and save our asses from an embarrassment.
Why did he not start? We pulled him after 59 against Jamaica. He is 18 - he could go.
How many time do we ever have a hot in form striker? And we choose now to ice it with an embarrassment ….. who scored
Posted on 10/10/21 at 8:10 pm to FGCU Gator
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I know its not apples to apples comparison, and I hate comparing to fricking Mexico, but Mexico only made 3 changes from their lineup vs Canada to tonight vs Honduras.
Jimenez, Chucky, Tecatitio, Herrera, Alvarez, Gallardo, Montes both started each game.
Riding the horses that got them there. The hot hands that make things click. Gregg definitely needs to rotate at times, but wholesale swaps against competent opponents (not Gold Cup minnows) is leaving us playing catch up.
Which means they will likely have a lot of changes Wednesday.
There was always going to vast changes with these three match windows. It's just a question on if you make them for the 2nd or 4rd match.
Posted on 10/10/21 at 8:13 pm to Broski
Clint just brought up a good point on the postgame show, after Costa Rica on Wednesday, next match is Mexico.
This loss means we can't afford anything other than 6 points in those two matches.
This loss means we can't afford anything other than 6 points in those two matches.
Posted on 10/10/21 at 8:32 pm to Girth Donor
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That's the problem, there was no plan.
I mean the plan was pretty clear.
1. Rest key starters to ensure a win against Costa Rica
2. ??????
3. Draw at Panama
It’s not Berhalter’s fault the players didn’t execute the plan.
Posted on 10/10/21 at 9:28 pm to ned nederlander
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It’s not Berhalter’s fault the players didn’t execute the plan.
Uh. It kinda is. He set the lineup. Anybody who saw the starting 11 pre match had concerns at their capability to get a result, and rightfully so.
I mean... if the starting 11 were a bunch of 10 year olds would you be saying “well it’s not Greg’s fault. The players just didn’t execute his plan.
This post was edited on 10/10/21 at 9:33 pm
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