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Posted on 11/15/19 at 9:00 pm to Broski
that was a strange win. We couldn’t control the game at all, yet scored 4 goals.
Gregggg playing yedlin as a winger makes zero sense. If you are going to play a fullback as a winger it should be Sergino.
Defense wasn’t terrible.
This team desperately needs Tyler Adams as the defensive mid, and better play out of the other midfielders...Or simply different midfielders.
Gregggg playing yedlin as a winger makes zero sense. If you are going to play a fullback as a winger it should be Sergino.
Defense wasn’t terrible.
This team desperately needs Tyler Adams as the defensive mid, and better play out of the other midfielders...Or simply different midfielders.
Posted on 11/15/19 at 9:02 pm to Broski
Missed the whole thing. Good news is that these games don’t influence the decision about Gregg right?
Posted on 11/15/19 at 9:14 pm to PhilipMarlowe
Lletget should be the 10 so Pulisic can be on the wing. McKinnie should be better than he plays, but Schalke does him zero favors by having him play every position but GK. It's really hurting his development at midfield.
Posted on 11/15/19 at 9:28 pm to ElJefe686
Did you watch the match
Canada was passing around us like City/Barca at times
And we kept giving it away in our own half for them to recycle possession
We are lucky they were awful defending the counter and on set pieces
But frick Canada played like a team with an identity even tho they suck
Canada was passing around us like City/Barca at times
And we kept giving it away in our own half for them to recycle possession
We are lucky they were awful defending the counter and on set pieces
But frick Canada played like a team with an identity even tho they suck
Posted on 11/15/19 at 11:48 pm to BCLA
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McKinnie should be better than he plays
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Lletget should be the 10
Love me some Lletget. I’m still conflicted on Pulisic at the wing vs the 10.
Posted on 11/16/19 at 7:14 am to cwil177
The most likely answer to this may lie in France and the success and position of Weat when he returns too play for his club team. He was having success as a SS or 10 before injury.
Posted on 11/17/19 at 11:40 am to StraightCashHomey21
I'm confused.
GGG brings in a more passing style. Fans get pissed that we're learning a new style but losing.
In a "must win", GGG plays pragmatic and traditional US style - defend and counter, take advantage of set pieces. Wins. People lose their shite.
What is it that we want?
GGG brings in a more passing style. Fans get pissed that we're learning a new style but losing.
In a "must win", GGG plays pragmatic and traditional US style - defend and counter, take advantage of set pieces. Wins. People lose their shite.
What is it that we want?
Posted on 11/17/19 at 1:43 pm to ElJefe686
It was against fricking Canada.
We looked like shite most of the night, but were great on the counter.
Need to do it against better competition, and that has yet to be seen. Hell, we LOST to Canada in the last international break.
We haven’t seen consistent lineups, we haven’t seen any semblance of an identity, and we haven’t been playing some of our best European talent into positions they can be successful (speaking about tactics, not actual position played).
If you think it has been anything but atrocious, although lucky at times and crisp in fewer times, you’re blind.
Or an MLS fellatio specialist.
We looked like shite most of the night, but were great on the counter.
Need to do it against better competition, and that has yet to be seen. Hell, we LOST to Canada in the last international break.
We haven’t seen consistent lineups, we haven’t seen any semblance of an identity, and we haven’t been playing some of our best European talent into positions they can be successful (speaking about tactics, not actual position played).
If you think it has been anything but atrocious, although lucky at times and crisp in fewer times, you’re blind.
Or an MLS fellatio specialist.
This post was edited on 11/17/19 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 11/17/19 at 5:54 pm to ElJefe686
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GGG brings in a more passing style. Fans get pissed that we're learning a new style but losing.
In a "must win", GGG plays pragmatic and traditional US style - defend and counter, take advantage of set pieces. Wins. People lose their shite.
Go look up the last time we lost to Canada.
We've had different regime changes with different tactics implemented in those stretches, we still beat Canada.
I'll put it this way, what positives have you seen from Gregg?
Posted on 11/17/19 at 6:54 pm to Broski
Personally, I don’t think he’s currently doing a good job. However, showing that he can adapt tactically is something we previously hadn’t really seen.
However, I don’t like him long term unless he moves away from his current system, both offensive shape and defensive shape.
Positives so far? He’s involved most of the young and talented players we have. At least he...has a system he’s teaching them? Unlike Klinsman.
However, I don’t like him long term unless he moves away from his current system, both offensive shape and defensive shape.
Positives so far? He’s involved most of the young and talented players we have. At least he...has a system he’s teaching them? Unlike Klinsman.
Posted on 11/17/19 at 7:53 pm to ElJefe686
Klinsman took Julian Green to the World Cup.
He also had a system... just interchanged parts and had very few consistencies in his lineups. Sound familiar?
If it didn’t work for Jurgy, what is GG thinking copying his approach?
He also had a system... just interchanged parts and had very few consistencies in his lineups. Sound familiar?
If it didn’t work for Jurgy, what is GG thinking copying his approach?
Posted on 11/18/19 at 7:57 am to DByrd2
What point are you making when you say that Klinsman took Julian Green to the world cup?
I disagree that Klinsman had a tactical and formational "system" that was his. In fact, there's a lot of evidence both from player interviews and just from watching the games that he consistently didn't communicate to his players what he wanted, played them out of position, and shifted formations frequently.
Are you saying that Berhalter is a similar coach to Klinsman? If so, I do not agree. Even just on the surface: Klinsman emphasized fitness and "play harder", while Berhalter is more even keel, cerebral and emphasizes tactics and systems rather than fitness, running hard, and fight.
Don't misunderstand - I have many gripes with Berhalter...and actually with US Soccer as well. I'm not championing them one bit. I do think that we're just not as good of a team as were 10, maybe even 5 years ago. The talent and best use of it isn't there right now - let alone the coaching.
I disagree that Klinsman had a tactical and formational "system" that was his. In fact, there's a lot of evidence both from player interviews and just from watching the games that he consistently didn't communicate to his players what he wanted, played them out of position, and shifted formations frequently.
Are you saying that Berhalter is a similar coach to Klinsman? If so, I do not agree. Even just on the surface: Klinsman emphasized fitness and "play harder", while Berhalter is more even keel, cerebral and emphasizes tactics and systems rather than fitness, running hard, and fight.
Don't misunderstand - I have many gripes with Berhalter...and actually with US Soccer as well. I'm not championing them one bit. I do think that we're just not as good of a team as were 10, maybe even 5 years ago. The talent and best use of it isn't there right now - let alone the coaching.
Posted on 11/18/19 at 8:09 am to ElJefe686
The Julian Green thing was about youth. Klinsmann didn’t simply ignore it and actually made use of it, granted not as much as GB.
With Klinsmann, at least we always played moderately organized and didn’t try to play against our own strengths. We knew our team was a counter-attacking side and made use of that fact, even with players out of position.
Berhalter is square-peg/round holing Adams hardcore, playing 3 in the back at times, and playing out of the back... all things that have been counterproductive. The one time we sat back against a team with talent, and nobody really out of position, we won. That seemed like an accidental thing against Canada, although I’ll HAPPILY have my share of crow if I am wrong moving forward.
I find it hard to believe we have guys starting in several of the best leagues in the world, yet our talent is somehow less than it was 5-10 years ago.
With Klinsmann, at least we always played moderately organized and didn’t try to play against our own strengths. We knew our team was a counter-attacking side and made use of that fact, even with players out of position.
Berhalter is square-peg/round holing Adams hardcore, playing 3 in the back at times, and playing out of the back... all things that have been counterproductive. The one time we sat back against a team with talent, and nobody really out of position, we won. That seemed like an accidental thing against Canada, although I’ll HAPPILY have my share of crow if I am wrong moving forward.
I find it hard to believe we have guys starting in several of the best leagues in the world, yet our talent is somehow less than it was 5-10 years ago.
Posted on 11/18/19 at 5:10 pm to DByrd2
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With Klinsmann, at least we always played moderately organized and didn’t try to play against our own strengths.
Ehhh... We were not organized under Klinsmann and the biggest complaint with him was that he was trying to push a square peg into a round hole. Gregg so far has been the American Klinsmann, only difference being that he calls in an MLS-dominant 23, so the talent has been weaker.
Honestly, since 2011, the USMNT has been so disorganized outside of that winning streak in 2013. Bruce was an arrogant arse that shite the bed against Trinidad & Tobago, but the games we played under him before that were the first time that the USMNT played pragmatic soccer since Bob and it was a nice change of pace, until they ruined everything in Cuova.
Posted on 11/18/19 at 6:19 pm to Broski
I never found myself questioning if we were going forward all game under Klinsmann or playing counter-ball. That’s what I was trying (and failed) to convey.
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